Flinkly Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Sooo maybe this has been answered somewhere in this thread - how do these compare to STi brembos in terms of size wheel required? Particularly do they require more diameter or more space to spokes? At some point I'll be going aftermarket wheels with my eye on O.Z. Leggera HLT, 17 or 18, I'm still not sure, both would be 45 offset. I like the 17 for cheaper and more tire options, but I'm hesitant to go with 17 wheels and limit potential brake bling down the road. i'm honestly no expert. k, i'm a noob. but since the 17" STI BBS fit STI brembo's, and the ATS calipers don't, then the STI brembos will allow more fitment options. barrel is too tight for the STI BBS and ATS Brembo combo (maybe needs wheel spacer too...). but the ATS brembo's are more about the redic low price of admission, rather than fitment. $200 for shiny new calipers vs. $800+ for used calipers. * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvin315 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Sooo maybe trhis has been answered somewhere in this thread - how do these compare to STi brembos in terms of size wheel required? Particularly do they require more diameter or more space to spokes? At some point I'll be going aftermarket wheels with my eye on O.Z. Leggera HLT, 17 or 18, I'm still not sure, both would be 45 offset. I like the 17 for cheaper and more tire options, but I'm hesitant to go with 17 wheels and limit potential brake bling down the road. My wheels are 18x8 Sparco Trofeo 5s with 48mm Offset. The ATS/Brembo calipers need evey spare mm they can get to fit inside those wheels. Edited June 27, 2017 by elvin315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebourne Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 i'm honestly no expert. k, i'm a noob. but since the 17" STI BBS fit STI brembo's, and the ATS calipers don't, then the STI brembos will allow more fitment options. barrel is too tight for the STI BBS and ATS Brembo combo (maybe needs wheel spacer too...). but the ATS brembo's are more about the redic low price of admission, rather than fitment. $200 for shiny new calipers vs. $800+ for used calipers. I'm not an expert either... I haven't even read the NASIOC threads. But just going off the size of these parts, plus the amazing reviews these brakes get on the much heavier cars they come on, I am going to go out on a ledge and say: I think there is more to it than just the price... the calipers + pads are "V" spec and are engineered for the recent "track ready" era that GM (and other's) have been engineering to survive the magazine tests and Top Gear type reviews (The 1LE Camaro's being the sharp point of you literally can't do better without spending 2-4x as much...and then again maybe... ) And these calipers/pads are for a car that weighs significantly more. So they should be spectacular on the 4th gen cars. However, how do you balance out the rear? Great question. The front does 60-8x+ of the stopping, right (would love to know the real bias)? Use a more aggressive rear pad? Or an adjustable F/R brake bias valve (negating the [possible safety of the] diagonal brake balancer) and then sorting out the best valve adjustment with trial and error? *shiver* Wish I knew. Perfection for this upgrade would be a few agreements on rear setups that forum members liked. I'm not hating on the upgrade. I personally love it. In fact, if I had two sets of 18s that cleared, I'd be 100% sold. Since my back up wheels don't clear, I'm still in the observation phase. Sorting out the rear brakes to match an awesome (and affordable to maintain) front setup is a good place to be if you like playing around. I might be biased (pun intended) by my Honda days, where 90% of the braking was the front, so call me out if I'm talking nonsense. pic thread build thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvin315 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Perfection for this upgrade would be a few agreements on rear setups that forum members liked. I agree. My new brakes are only a weekend old. I don't ride the brake on downhill grades, using my paddle shifters to downshift to use engine braking. Same in the turns, picking the right entry speed, and trusting my BF Goodrichs to get me through. Maybe I'll get to the school parking lot since school is out and look for the point of lock-up and how she behaves when I find it. As for the rear brakes I'm doing research. I found a kit from KNS Brakes that will allow mounting WRX/STI dual piston rear calipers but I find it a bit pricey. The heart of the kit is the adapter which you can buy separately from the kit. KNS is careful not to be too specific about the model years of the new calipers so I have some more work to do. If your curious: http://www.knsbrakes.com/c/kns-bracket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvin315 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) As for the rear brakes I'm doing research. I found a kit from KNS Brakes that will allow mounting WRX/STI dual piston rear calipers but I find it a bit pricey. The heart of the kit is the adapter which you can buy separately from the kit. KNS is careful not to be too specific about the model years of the new calipers so I have some more work to do. If your curious: http://www.knsbrakes.com/c/kns-bracket I've learned that the rear calipers are twin opposed piston Brembos from the 2005-2007 STI Impreza. They ain't cheap. Checked eBay and they range from $170 ea. to $650 ea. I shopped the online used parts yards and they start at $300 ea. to "Call Us For a Price". That's not including the mounting bracket, The OEM Legacy rears are starting to look pretty good. I think I'll clean them, rebuild them, paint them red, load them with EBC Yellow Stuff pads, mount them on drilled & slotted StopTech discs and call it a day. Edited June 29, 2017 by elvin315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNfEk Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) I've been hoarding a KNS bracket and Z32 rear calipers for a while now [emoji23] similar to how I did for the ATS setup as mentioned in this thread. The Z32 is a lot cheaper than the JDM 2 pot rear and 06/07 WRX calipers. The difference is they won't sit as close to the rotor as the Subaru ones but they look almost identical. Edited June 29, 2017 by iNfEk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvin315 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) UPDATE: The rear discs previously listed are wrong. The correct discs are listed below with the corrected price. The rear calipers to use are the twin opposed piston Brembos from the 2005-2007 STI Impreza, but they ain't cheap. Checked eBay and the online used parts yards and they're just out of my price range. The OEM Legacy rears are starting to look pretty good. I think I'll clean them, rebuild them, paint them red, load them with EBC Yellow Stuff pads, mount them on drilled & slotted StopTech discs and call it a day. Then again.................. Obsession is a terrible thing, and I'm obsessed with the idea of bigger rear brakes. The Brembos are too expensive for me so I'm piecing together a kit. Both KNS, Torque Solution, and Kartboy make adapting brackets for the Subaru FHI and Brembo calipers, but the Kartboy is much more expensive. I found the FHI calipers, StopTech drilled & slotted discs, steel braided hoses, and brake pads on RockAutoParts. DISCLAIMER: This is pure guesswork! Follow this at your own risk. The calipers and brackets will fit each other and the brackets should fit the backing plate. Hoses are hoses so no problem there. It's the discs I'm concerned with. Will they be centered in the calipers and will they align circumference wise? Brackets (KNS & Torque Solution) KNS Kit http://www.knsbrakes.com/c/caliper-items/2282 Instructions: http://www.knsbrakes.com/c/rear-brembo $199 a set Torque Solution SKU: TS-SU-317 https://subimods.com/torque-solution-rear-brake-caliper-adapter-2002-2005-wrx-2002-2008-forester-2000-2009-legacy.html Similar to the KNS brackets $199 a set Calipers (06-07) WRX A-1 CARDONE 193133 {#26692FE040, 26692FE050} Reman. Includes: Caliper and Hardware Rear Left; WRX Limited; WRX Model; WRX TR; with Metal Piston A-1 CARDONE 193132 {#26692FE040} Reman. Includes: Caliper and Hardware Rear Right; WRX Limited; WRX Model; WRX TR; with Metal Piston https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...435927&jsn=770 $110 ea. ($65 refundable core charge) Discs (05-07) WRX CENTRIC 12747025L StopTech Sport Drilled/Slotted Disc Rear Left; WRX Model CENTRIC 12747025R StopTech Sport Drilled/Slotted Disc Rear Right; WRX Model $71 ea. Pads, WRX CENTRIC 30904611 StopTech Sport Rear; WRX Model $38 ea. x 2 Hoses (00-09) Legacy CENTRIC 95047505 StopTech Stainless Steel; Sold as a Pair Info Rear; Stainless Steel Brake Lines $45 a pair Approx. Total: $750 (-$130 core deposit = $552) Edited July 7, 2017 by elvin315 Corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 Bigger rear brakes are a smart upgrade. Most OEM's overly bias balance toward the front so that in an emergency situation the rear end doesn't get loose. When modifying older Imprezas, one of the best bang-for-the-buck brake upgrades is to slap on a set of Legacy H6 brackets and rotors. More torque on the rear = less nose-dive and more neutral braking! LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocklgt Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Anyone interested in buying my setup Edit: Post your FS link here Edited July 9, 2017 by SBT Removed FS info - post in Member Marketplace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Brembo stickers are plentiful. I got mine from: http://houseofgrafx.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=308 I just painted the ATS calipers and plan to mount them soon. do you remember what size stickers you bought? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) For anyone that wants to go bigger , you can now put Corvette z06 6 pistons on the front. Same dimensions as brembos but a bit larger. Forgive my beater bbs's. I had to move over to hammer on waiting since stick weights get destroyed. Just weighting on extended studs to run my 18's again. Edited August 28, 2017 by battelready I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinkly Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 how much roughly for a set and you can run them without a spacer with 04 bbs? * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuuusaa Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 For anyone that wants to go bigger , you can now put Corvette z06 6 pistons on the front. Same dimensions as brembos but a bit larger. Forgive my beater bbs's. I had to move over hammer on weights since stick weights get destroyed. Just weighting on extended studs to run my 18's again. Where did you buy your kit from? Innovative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 how much roughly for a set and you can run them without a spacer with 04 bbs? Yup. Theres a rotor spacer behind the rotor but the bbs will clear with no problem. Just cant run stick weights. Theres literally like 2cm of space between the spokes and barrel. Where did you buy your kit from? Innovative? Moore performance handles the ordering now. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinkly Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Holy cow, $1400 starting price and without rotors! the caddy brakes are WAY cheaper. * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Holy cow, $1400 starting price and without rotors! the caddy brakes are WAY cheaper. AC Delco Corvette Z06 calipers are $500 each from RockAuto. So I assume these are genuine GM Z06 calipers + brackets for $1400 makes sense. Just, a much different realm than this mod. They do look awesome though.... Edited August 28, 2017 by Rhitter My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinkly Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 AC Delco Corvette Z06 calipers are $500 each from RockAuto. So I assume these are genuine GM Z06 calipers + brackets for $1400 makes sense. Just, a much different realm than this mode. They do look awesome though.... yeah, i guess the benefit of the Caddy upgrade is that the calipers are $100 each new, rather than $1k for a used set (STI Brembos). there are already quite a few expensive options, and this is another. not to say they aren't awesome. * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 yeah, i guess the benefit of the Caddy upgrade is that the calipers are $100 each new, rather than $1k for a used set (STI Brembos). there are already quite a few expensive options, and this is another. not to say they aren't awesome. Very true and I cant argue with that. My sti had brembos and they were just.... not doing it for me lol. They cost wayyyy less then the brembo , stoptech, and endless kits and have the aftermarket backing to support them. I can bump it up to 14in rotor but i cant run 17in rims anymore. Its not just an adapter either. They mill the original caliper to fit the bracket into the mounting points. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRX USA Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Yup. Theres a rotor spacer behind the rotor but the bbs will clear with no problem. Just cant run stick weights. Theres literally like 2cm of space between the spokes and barrel. Moore performance handles the ordering now. http://shop.mooreperformanceparts.com/innovative-tuning/innovative-tuning-subaru-corvette-z06-bbk/innsubbbk13ssilver/i-2427770.aspx ^ For anyone interested. Edited August 29, 2017 by WRX USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I need them. They look so cool (probably the wrong reason to spend $2k) My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuuusaa Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I'm sure they perform very well compared other BBK's a lot more expensive. The ZO6 is an impressive car out the box, so our car should perform just well one would think. Disclaimer I'm no engineer just using logic lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinkly Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 honestly, i just want a light (aluminum), non-sliding set of calipers that perform just as good as the LGT brakes. And would be great if they fit normal LGT rotors. oh, and cheap. say $500-700? cause i don't track. just prefer to lose some weight and those sticky slide pins/bushings. would go after 2 piece rotors, but they're too much $$$$ for not tracking ($880 for a set of DBA fronts). * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battelready Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 honestly, i just want a light (aluminum), non-sliding set of calipers that perform just as good as the LGT brakes. And would be great if they fit normal LGT rotors. oh, and cheap. say $500-700? cause i don't track. just prefer to lose some weight and those sticky slide pins/bushings. would go after 2 piece rotors, but they're too much $$$$ for not tracking ($880 for a set of DBA fronts). What about the subaru 4 pots ? You can pick up them fairly cheap off of a jdm sellar. I bought an auto be more involved in my uninvolvedness . 200k+ Club If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. My high mileage turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadvw Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 honestly, i just want a light (aluminum), non-sliding set of calipers that perform just as good as the LGT brakes. And would be great if they fit normal LGT rotors. oh, and cheap. say $500-700? cause i don't track. just prefer to lose some weight and those sticky slide pins/bushings. would go after 2 piece rotors, but they're too much $$$$ for not tracking ($880 for a set of DBA fronts). Wilwood conversion from brakeswap.com - look for SUB1000WL. Around $250 for the kit, ~$400 for calipers.. Uses OEM rotors. Clears OEM wheels (barely - I'm using a 3mm spacer). Fronts only, of course.. Rear 2-pot conversion is ANOTHER $800-1k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Wilwood calipers don't have the protective seals that our OEM, Brembo and StopTech calipers do, and require more frequent rebuilding IIRC. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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