SurlyOldManMN Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Yes to which, or both? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Clutch Damper Delete Review #2 (3 days in) Heel-Toe Downshifts - So...I have always loved doing heel-toe downshifts when going into corners. I have driven manual transmissions for 18 of the 28 years I have been driving. Early on in my driving career I had a built 1972 240Z with a light flywheel and competition clutch. Heel-toes on that car where very rewarding and simple. Later I had a stock 1995 Saturn SL2 with a manual. Once again heel-toes were simple and I could 4 wheel drift that car around highway cloverleafs. When I got the Legacy GT after 8 consecutive years of driving automatics, needless to say, I bought it for the manual transmission experience. After a few months of getting used to the car, I decided I was comfortable enough to try some heel-toe. And the car scared the out of me. After many attempts, over months of driving, to be smooth, concentrate, and to try to be 'one' with the car, I gave up. It was that damned floating, mushy clutch engagement, it was just not the same every time....ever!! This morning on the way to work, I attempted no less than 6 heel-toe downshifts going into corners. And all 6 were PERFECT!!! No lurching ahead and no unnatural and unnecessary engine braking due to flubbed engine/tranny meshing. It was simple and straightforward. I will now make heel-toeing part of my daily routine again. Sweet!!! Edited April 7, 2014 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Out of curiousity since i wont do this but its worth asking Does anyone forsee a downside or potential long term effects by doing this? And how would this react to a lwfw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Out of curiousity since i wont do this but its worth asking Does anyone forsee a downside or potential long term effects by doing this? And how would this react to a lwfw? Same "long term effects" as having a cable operated clutch. 1:1 input to response. For better or worse. Everyone makes mistakes eventually. So... At least you'll get solid feedback about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miro Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Practice trying to get the car moving from a dead stop without using throttle. I can do this without issue. I can also get the car rolling from standstill in pretty much any gear. I can also jump-start the car in gear if it has a dead battery (at least I'm assuming it's the same with the LGT as it was with my Accord). I just haven't been able to launch it properly except for one time when I scared the bejebus out of my grandfather-in-law. I gave him fair warning, but he still wasn't expecting that kind of launch. Note that so far all the "tips" about launching the car had no actual advice on how to launch the car -- more things "I should learn" (that I already can do) before attempting to launch a car. The whole ordeal reminds me of this scene from the Fifth Element, where I'm Korben Dallas and you're Ray: Thanks Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutchard Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Thanks Ray. http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/4/1/7/1/2/3/he-mad-91028347673.jpeg Seriously, find a desolate back road, set launch control to 3500-4000RPM, and practice! Having LC on makes things more consistent and repeatable. Turn off traction control because when you do it right, the wheels will spin. TC makes a launch feel all "herky-jerky" because it keeps cutting the throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) You have to have an AccessPort in order to have launch control available. Mine is set to 4k rpms and it works great!! Edited April 8, 2014 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutchard Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 a GT without an AP is like a day without sunshine, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellesedil Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 a GT without an AP is like a day without sunshine, lol Then I guess it's always raining.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 no actual advice on how to launch the car -- more things "I should learn" I'm a little slow sometimes (including at the track). "How to do things" and "things you should learn about how to do things" pretty much mean the same thing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fischbach31 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 a GT without an AP is like a day without sunshine, lol I don't have an ap....I have been dyno tuned everytime! Why should I get an accessport??? Out of curiosity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Because if you're going to do crack, you better have a pipe to smoke it in....you know for safety lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I don't have an ap....I have been dyno tuned everytime! Why should I get an accessport??? Out of curiosity Nameless's tuner open source tuned you? GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fischbach31 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 English racing in Washington....look them up!! They have some crazy gtr's and such with well over 1000hp!! Love going to that shop to get tuned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I'm a little slow sometimes (including at the track). "How to do things" and "things you should learn about how to do things" pretty much mean the same thing to me. "You'll have to excuse my friend, he's a bit slow... The town is back five miles that way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutchard Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I don't have an ap....I have been dyno tuned everytime! Why should I get an accessport??? Out of curiosity *sigh* it was a joke, lighten up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 "You'll have to excuse my friend, he's a bit slow... The town is back five miles that way." You have no idea how close to reality my daily life is to that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 does the clutch damper delete effect pedal down? I know it slows the pedal up but if it slowed pedal down than I would have no choice but to do it. I still mess up shifts at times even after having the car for nearly 2 years now and that just needs to change. I pride myself on my driving to much to be letting shifts be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Driveline shock happens when you sidestep the clutch. This damper is designed to prevent driveline shock. So... It's not that it "slows" anything btw. It just nails down the engagement point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) With the damper there was essentially the equivalent of a rubber ball between your foot and the pedal. Imagine trying to push a heavy door open with a big rubber ball in your hand, you would push the ball, and it would squish, then eventually the door would open and the ball would kinda spring back, making your overall stroke to open the door longer, with less control of the door itself. Same with closing the door quietly or slowly, it would be difficult with the ball in your hand to actuate the door with precision. There is a foggy area of control and reassurance that the door is doing what you want it to do, because of the ball. Without the damper your foot is more directly connected to the throwout bearing and thus the clutch pressure plate. You are opening and closing the door with your hand, no rubber ball. The pedal travel distance as you depress the pedal, from when you first feel the pressure plate weight come off the clutch disk, to full clutch release is shorter and more exact because the rubber ball isn't there. This is the same in reverse, as you are letting the pedal out you can better feel where the clutch starts to grab and when it is fully engaged over the slightly shorter distance of pedal travel. I have had my damper deleted for over 3 weeks now, and while learning the new feel was interesting because it was like driving a different car (only it was the same car), I am now more comfortable with the clutch than I ever was over the last 1-1/2 years of driving the car. I can tell you that I have had fewer "noob" moments with the clutch in the last 3 weeks than I used to have every single day. The ride is smoother for passengers, downshifts are better, upshifts are better and overall transmission gear shifting doesn't have the anomolies it used to that made me wonder what I was doing wrong before. Hell, I don't have to hold the pedal on the floor now wondering if the clutch is fully disengaged, I KNOW when it is disengaged, about 1-1/2" up from the floor. The clutch releases and engages with much more precision and speed. Haha, and I haven't stalled the car once, which I used to do about every 2 or 3 weeks before. I have even done a few, oh maybe, 80% launches too, and it's much easier, and I am actually less worried about breaking something because I can feel everything. Edited April 28, 2014 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 With the damper there was essentially the equivalent of a rubber ball between your foot and the pedal. I have even done a few, oh maybe, 80% launches too, and it's much easier, and I am actually less worried about breaking something because I can feel everything. Thank you so much for your thoughtful input TEASER. so it's a spring loaded multi directional dashpot than. I guess this will be going on the list of mods. it will definitely void parts of my warranty but I'm sick of looking like a noob in my own car:spin:. IDK if I can last another 50 some odd K like this. I worry about breaking shit all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swannee225 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Thank you so much for your thoughtful input TEASER. so it's a spring loaded multi directional dashpot than. I guess this will be going on the list of mods. it will definitely void parts of my warranty but I'm sick of looking like a noob in my own car:spin:. IDK if I can last another 50 some odd K like this. I worry about breaking shit all the time install and re-install shouldn't take longer than an hour in case of warranty work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutchard Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I wouldn't even bother worrying about it in case of warranty work, unless you're going in for clutch issues, they'll never even see the delete. If anything, the delete is going to remove clutch issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBopper Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Ordered #37255AJ000 connector/union for clutch hard line (damper delete). Dealer said part is back-ordered ... may be July before available . Hope to see it before then, have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) Or...since there is one in the engine bay of every 5th Gen 6MT Legacy, maybe sourcing from a salvage yard would be a faster way to get one. Edited May 2, 2014 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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