Ellesedil Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I wonder if Koni will notice a difference in sales one way or another with full assemblies compared to the inserts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 They totally ignored the email I sent them last October about us using the inserts. I doubt they'll notice. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golferdude1087 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 They totally ignored the email I sent them last October about us using the inserts. I doubt they'll notice. And they acknowledged we used them from an email 2 months back but basically said "we know but we don't care"Â Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 And they acknowledged we used them from an email 2 months back but basically said "we know but we don't care"Â Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk What email was this? GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxwhit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Whit's Wed in full effect today, but a little different this time: The wife knows about it lol!!! Driving to Subaru now to grab rear insulators and then go time on this beautiful 50 degree mid winter day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxwhit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Quick question. Do I have the springs right side up?? I assume so as writing is right side up?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golferdude1087 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 What email was this? Back with the binding issue Thank you for contacting us here at KONI NA. This is not an issue that we regularly hear of as we do not list and applications specifically for the Legacy as you know. Many Legacy owners have opted to install the WRX KONI strut inserts and oftentimes us a set of donor WRX struts as well. " Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Quick question. Do I have the springs right side up?? I assume so as writing is right side up?! the springs look right as does the lower spring seat My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxwhit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Thanks ZEE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Whit, what are the plunger looking pieces in between the springs and the konis? Some sort of insulator sleeve? Can't say I've seen those before. Edited January 11, 2017 by Humble Rumble 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 White, what are the plunger looking pieces in between the springs and the konis? Some sort of insulator sleeve? Can't say I've seen those before. dust covers, if you're on stock struts you should be able to see them on yours as well http://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_2010_Legacy25L-TURBO-6MT-4WDGT-Limited-Sedan/DUST-COVER-REAR-STRUT/49230043/20372AJ00A.html My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Oh hell, for that price I'll pick those up too. 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 front and rear. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxwhit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Yes, they are oem insulators sitting between spring and mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Yes, they are oem insulators sitting between spring and mount. do those help seat the spring? or prevent them from binding? My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxwhit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Keeps spring taught inside mount seat and from rotating which is unlikely as rears tires don't turn lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Its an insulator to combat NVH. The front upper seats have one too. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxwhit Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Yes that too lol!!! GT is too smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Okay guys... some not so good news from a user over on NASIOC that just installed the new Koni struts assemblies on his 2011 WRX. The shipping on the Koni strut that I ordered has been delayed a little due to weather but will hopefully have it tomorrow to do a direct comparison with the earlier measurements I took of the Legacy strut and 13 WRX strut. It is confirmed by this NASIOC user that the 08-10 WRX front strut's spring perch is approx 5/8" lower on the strut body than on the 11-14 WRX front strut. He replaced his stock front struts with the Koni struts, using the same Epic lowering springs he was using before, and ended up 5/8" lower. Unfortunately, Koni screwed the pooch and modeled their new strut assemblies after the 08-10 WRX strut. Dumbasses! Here's a pic from his install.   Now...how does this relate to the Legacy strut's spring perch location. By my measurements, the Legacy strut perch is actually 1/4" lower than the 11-14 WRX spring perch. See the pics below.  Where does this leave us? I will confirm when I receive the new Koni WRX strut assembly, but for now, it appears to be that the new struts will lower us 3/8" in the front from where we are now because the spring perch is on the strut body 3/8" lower than on our Legacys. This also jives with the early WRX strut/spring and Koni install investigation that Scooby-GT and Fred did early on in 2013.  Two main issues.... The first...how do we resolve the 3/8" drop. This is not an issue with the addition of a 3/8" front tophat spacer to get the ride height back up to the advertised drop of whatever springs you're using. Or, if you want to go lower in the back too, machine a new groove in the rear shock body for the perch retainer clip 3/8" down, move the rear perch down, and lower the rear by 3/8". Scooby-GT did this on his car because he used 08-10 WRX front struts as donors for his Koni inserts. They were sold to Swannee who ran them for a while like that but raised the rear back up when he put inserts in Legacy donors.(please measure everything first, make sure your springs have settled, and take careful measurements to avoid saggy butt) The second...tire clearance. To determine this without actually having all these assemblies installed and trying them with different size tires, I'm going to call on my experience with the Forester forum. This is not gospel, but my best guess. It is pretty much confirmed (by Forester owners and my own measurements) that the 2014 STI suspension that is on my Forester has a spring perch location in almost the exact spot as the 08-10 WRX perches, ergo, the same as the new Konis. I can fit a 245/45-18 (just barely) with a wheel width and offset that puts the inside of the wheel in the exact orientation as my stock wheel (17x7+48), for example a 18x8+35, so that should fit on a Leggy with the Koni WRX full struts. Any tire size with a smaller diameter and on a wheel with similar inboard location with respect to the suspension, SHOULD work fine. Whit is running 245/40-18 on either 18x8.5+35 (summer) or 18x8+35 (winter), and they SHOULD fit without interference with the strut perch of the Koni. The full Koni struts would not work on my car for example because I am running 255/40-18 on 18x9+40 and they are just too close on the inboard side and would likely hit the spring perch on the new Konis. God, I hope this is all correct, it's kinda mind numbing, but I feel fairly confident. Hope you guys can follow it okay. Edited January 11, 2017 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Hmm... time to check if i have more than 1/2" clearance on my front spring perches. FWIW I'm running 18x8.75 +36 on 245/40/18s... I wanna go up to 255/40/18s on my next set of rubber. The slight stretch I have right now I don't like Edited January 11, 2017 by Zee199969 My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Hmm... time to check if i have more than 1/2" clearance on my front spring perches. FWIW I'm running 18x8.75 +36 on 245/40/18s... I wanna go up to 255/40/18s on my next set of rubber. The slight stretch I have right now I don't like Those will fit no problem with your Legacy donors Zee. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 We are going to need tire clearance expert around here for all the different rim width & offsets that could work with Koni WRX front strut assemblies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellesedil Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Do we need a database of wheels that fit our cars and that clear various things? Clears inner fender without modification Clears inner fender with roll Clears inner fender with pull Clears Brembos Clears WRX front struts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Do we need a database of wheels that fit our cars and that clear various things? Clears inner fender without modification Clears inner fender with roll Clears inner fender with pull Clears Brembos Clears WRX front struts I can't imagine anyone complaining if we did have that. "God, this information is just so USEFUL, I hate it!" 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I think a rule of thumb is that any tire wider than 255 wont clear the spring seat unless you are gonna run a crazy offset right? My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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