DanT55 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 All I can say is that my Sonata 2.0T has not had an issue yet. I could not say that about my 2010 LGT with the same mileage and time of ownership. Also, I consider the Sonata a much nicer car to drive day in and day out. Very refined for the coin. Also, the fact that Hyundai/Kia is going with a 6sp auto across the board is nice feature. So far the auto tranny is one of the smoothest I have had the pleasure of owning. I had a Saturn Aura XR 3.6 at one time and GM definitely had some programming and drive-ability issues with their 6sp slush box. HK definitely has this one dialed in and did their homework. Go drive one! DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Who cares. Initial quality does NOT equal long term reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Am I writing in a foreign language? My mother bought the Azera over five years ago. It had been on the market for a couple of weeks and she bought the first one the dealership sold. It's the one people always say not to buy -- the first year of a new model. In that time it's received regular oil changes. That's it. Oh, and a battery about a year ago. Other than that it's been flawless. The bumper to bumper warranty (5yr) just expired and she's now left with "only" 5 more years powertrain. The other Azeras owned by family members have also been perfect. They're in the Atlanta area where crazy commuting mileage is a daily thing. Yep, a car made by Hyundai must be a big POS. The Excel left the building a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Saw a new Kia Optima in white the other day... pretty sexy. Just sayin. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Enjoy your Hyundai man but don't forget to post when you hit 150-200K. I yet to see one in a decent shape with over 100K. Am I writing in a foreign language? My mother bought the Azera over five years ago. It had been on the market for a couple of weeks and she bought the first one the dealership sold. It's the one people always say not to buy -- the first year of a new model. In that time it's received regular oil changes. That's it. Oh, and a battery about a year ago. Other than that it's been flawless. The bumper to bumper warranty (5yr) just expired and she's now left with "only" 5 more years powertrain. The other Azeras owned by family members have also been perfect. They're in the Atlanta area where crazy commuting mileage is a daily thing. Yep, a car made by Hyundai must be a big POS. The Excel left the building a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Very few cars are in decent shape when driven that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Legacies are Benjamin Buttons. They come worn in from factory and age in reverse, so by 150K they are spotless. No POS Hyundai can claim that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldiablo Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Am I the only one that finds it amusing when Subaru owners talk down the build quality of other manufacturers? Don't get me wrong, I love my LGT but I would hardly consider Subaru to be building bulletproof rides with a reputation for outlasting the competition. My VB Garage... Pumping the air back into despair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Most cars today do have a decent build quality - it's way better on average than what it was during the 70's and 80's where some cars disintegrated completely within 5 years. Italian cars were notable for falling victims to rust in addition to smaller but annoying problems. What will take out future cars will probably be electronics failures considering all the electronics that our cars are stuffed with. Especially lead-free electronics is sensitive. However there will always be some failures in all cars due to various circumstances - there is a balance between economy in building the car and reliability. But it also depends on (ab)use and how well the car is maintained. Is the owner throwing a kiloton of money on wax, rims and styling or is the money put into oil changes, rust proofing and other kinds of stuff for regular service. What will sell cars in the future is the experience for the driver, some drivers likes it soft others likes it hard. Some likes the extreme understeer that many modern FWD cars has others likes tail-happy like RWD cars and then we have those who likes to be in control of what they get - like the AWD drivers, and we see many driving Subies. Lifestyle is probably controlling more of the buyers in the future. Cars may look similar on the outside - somewhat like shoes. But it's the fit on the inside that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godwhomismike Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I got my eye on this guy: The 2011 Kia Sportage SX AWD, which sounds interesting because it's the same exact weight as my '09 FXT, but makes ~35 more hp and 43 lb ft of torque more, has a 6 speed auto, and gets better fuel economy. 260hp & 269 lb ft of torque, 6sp auto, AWD, 3400 lbs. Pics: http://i51.tinypic.com/2q18ndt.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/2ry52f7.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I agree, it caught my eye too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatsuDano Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Pretty good looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 My brother is looking at the Sportage's bigger sibling the Sorrento as a replacement for his 05 4Runner v8 sport AWD (a rare combination). It's got a more upscale interior than the Sportage and uses the same drivetrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godwhomismike Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 My brother is looking at the Sportage's bigger sibling the Sorrento as a replacement for his 05 4Runner v8 sport AWD (a rare combination). It's got a more upscale interior than the Sportage and uses the same drivetrain. Sorrento SX = 6sp auto + a 3.6 V6. Sportage SX = 6sp auto + 2.0T I4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godwhomismike Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 The Driver's seat cushioning is extremely firm/hard on the Optima, but on the Sportage, it's very plush/soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee07 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why can't or when will Subaru give us all the new tech and goodies like most manufactures have on there car like memory seats, rear passenger vents, heated/cooled seats, Hids etc. Or this one since Subaru always says how reliable they are how about a 10 year Powertrain warranty or 100,000 mile warranty. Kia and Hyundai comes with it why not Subaru. 95% of Subaru are still on the road they always say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why can't or when will Subaru give us all the new tech and goodies like most manufactures have on there car like memory seats, rear passenger vents, heated/cooled seats, Hids etc. Or this one since Subaru always says how reliable they are how about a 10 year Powertrain warranty or 100,000 mile warranty. Kia and Hyundai comes with it why not Subaru. 95% of Subaru are still on the road they always say! HID:s are standard on Subies over here, so why you don't get them is a good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Cost cutting. Americans nickel and dime the automotive market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underground000 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 me and my friend agreed we would definitely buy one cause we love the way it looks, but the only thing holding us back is, its a Kia 5eat downshift rev match:) Powder coated wheels: completed:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecBGuy Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 the hyundai and kia looks way better than 2010+lgt imo. there was another thread where if subaru wasnt a AWD would you have gotten it. i personally would have not gotten my lgt since many cars out there offer better options for the price. a car guy what makes a guy a car guy? as long as you love cars and want to learn more about them thats a car guy. i love golf but since i cant get into PGA im not a golfer? will i be considered a poser or something? hyundai and kia is coming up selling more than most car companies out there so haters are gonna hate. another thing hyundai/kia has a factory in Georgia (America) that created jobs for many there. not like ford or gm thats moving out of the country to build uglier and non reliable cars and not paying taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecBGuy Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 me and my friend agreed we would definitely buy one cause we love the way it looks, but the only thing holding us back is, its a Kia yes but some people out there still dont know what a Legacy is or even heard of Subaru:) i would tell people to lease one and see how it is. like stated before no one knows the long term of these cars but who does keep a car over 10+ years rarely anyone does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underground000 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 yes but some people out there still dont know what a Legacy is or even heard of Subaru:) i would tell people to lease one and see how it is. like stated before no one knows the long term of these cars but who does keep a car over 10+ years rarely anyone does. Legacy/Subaru is different:p I dont want to drive one because of what people say about it. Where I used to live (SC) a new Kia dealership opened up in 02/03 and they were offering Buy 1 Get 1 free Kia Rio They started off making cheap priced cars and now their prices are up there. Like when they came out with the Borego, full loaded SUV was over $50k, this model was short lived. Come one with the reputation they started out with no way I would buy a $50K Kia If I where to drive a Subaru around and no one knows what make/model it is, its good. If I were to drive a Kia most people would know what a Kia is. 5eat downshift rev match:) Powder coated wheels: completed:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecBGuy Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 well these days when you say "I drive a kia/hyundai" people ask "how is the car"? not "ohhh hyundai/kia so hows your day"!! lol i heard about the buy 1 get 2 free thing haha. its coming up so when they start making AWD watch out subaru haha btw subaru is sold in korea now and i think its doing ok on sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I got to drive a KIA Optima 2.0T today and I wasn't that impressed by it. It's nice but I felt that it straight line acceleration should be a lot better for something with +270 hp and the steering was really light but I guess it is an electric rack. Anyways, in Canada they have them for 0 money down, 0% financing for 84 months which makes it an interesting competitor to a FWD Camry or Accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underground000 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 well these days when you say "I drive a kia/hyundai" people ask "how is the car"? not "ohhh hyundai/kia so hows your day"!! lol i heard about the buy 1 get 2 free thing haha. its coming up so when they start making AWD watch out subaru haha btw subaru is sold in korea now and i think its doing ok on sales. Yea I'll give it a few more years when people start to forget and stuff IMO if they do come out with AWD it would be AWD like the base model subies. But yea slapping on AWD will get it more attention 5eat downshift rev match:) Powder coated wheels: completed:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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