Scrad Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 What are you guys getting for camber with the stock bolt and the top plate on zero? I can't get any adjustment out of it without using the camber plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 Can you give tell my how you have your camber bolt in. Mine has the nut and washer toward the front of the car. Something isn't quit right, since I can't get any adjustment out of the stock bolt. I don't know if the bracket bolts are too large and not oval or I need a different camber bolt, or put the washer on a different side. Edit, I checked the rebuild manual that I have and it shows the washer on the nut side, so that should be right. But the manual says that the stock bolt doesn't have much adjust ability. Less that .5 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 Can you give tell my how you have your camber bolt in. Mine has the nut and washer toward the front of the car. Something isn't quit right, since I can't get any adjustment out of the stock bolt. I don't know if the bracket bolts are too large and not oval or I need a different camber bolt, or put the washer on a different side. Edit, I checked the rebuild manual that I have and it shows the washer on the nut side, so that should be right. But the manual says that the stock bolt doesn't have much adjust ability. Less that .5 degrees. Mine is configured the same as yours. I didn't check my camber... or even look at it for that matter! I just makred my bolts and put them back in at the same degree as they came out. I'm probably going for an alignment this Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRXWrecks Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Im not to worried about my camber right now ill get that all squared away when i get an alignment but it sounds like I set mine the same as you guys. Now im having that noise problem again from my front drivers side after I use my car for the day. I fixed mine again last night so it wasn't making an sound then I drove about 40 miles today and by the i pulled into my drive way it was making that noise again like I never did anything. WTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Im not to worried about my camber right now ill get that all squared away when i get an alignment but it sounds like I set mine the same as you guys. Now im having that noise problem again from my front drivers side after I use my car for the day. I fixed mine again last night so it wasn't making an sound then I drove about 40 miles today and by the i pulled into my drive way it was making that noise again like I never did anything. WTF! My noises are very inconsistent, without touching a setting mine goes from somewhat noisy to sounding like someone's underneath my car with a hammer, banging on the springs. If I hit the same spot in the road 5 times at the same speed I won't always hear the same noises.... I've also developed a nice thunking noise when I go over moderate to large sized road imperfections. I hear the most noise when I'm under 30mph, and turning. As long as I go straight on the highway these things are GREAT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTLEGACY007 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 My noises are very inconsistent, without touching a setting mine goes from somewhat noisy to sounding like someone's underneath my car with a hammer, banging on the springs. If I hit the same spot in the road 5 times at the same speed I won't always hear the same noises.... I've also developed a nice thunking noise when I go over moderate to large sized road imperfections. I hear the most noise when I'm under 30mph, and turning. As long as I go straight on the highway these things are GREAT!! So are these coilover junk or is this an adjustablity issue? Anyone purchased these and not get any clunking noises with them? As stated, I have a set on the way and so far this thread is not very encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 So are these coilover junk or is this an adjustablity issue? Anyone purchased these and not get any clunking noises with them? As stated, I have a set on the way and so far this thread is not very encouraging. If it were me, and I had these on the way, and had not opened the package, I'd be refusing the package and returning it to the sender for a refund. But that's just me... IMHO, there has to be better options out there in this price range. But I'm bitter at the moment. Some seem to be content with theirs, I'm waiting for them to chime in on their preload settings, might help in curing my noise. I can't say if further adjustments will cure the problem. What I can say is that I've tried different preload settings (variations from the manual and user settings) and different stiffness settings, and while I've been able to calm the noise down some, I have not cured it. I'm going to tinker again tomorrow after work, but I'm about at the end of my rope with these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 I'm wondering if the others don't have theirs adjusted quite right. When I set the ride height on mine I adjusted the spring collars to where they touched the spring, but I could still turn the spring by hand. I didn't put any pre-load on the spring at all. Granted I didn't go with a big drop on the car, just a little bit. But I was more concerned with handling over looks. I only hear my spring pop when turning and going over bumps in driveways and into parking lots where the road is uneven and the wheels are turned at a good angle. I don't hear my springs making any noise at all while driving. A couple of my friends said that is pretty normal for coilovers to make a little spring noise. Edit, I haven't loosened the nut on mine either. Andrew from AJW told me they were going to have a bearing option, so that should help with noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Have any of you guys complaining about the spring noise had coilovers before? I've never had a set before, so I don't really know how much noise is normal. Especially from pillow ball mounts and no rubber top hats. But like I said talking to some friends that have had coilovers before sat that, that is just the nature of coilovers to produce more noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 I'm wondering if the others don't have theirs adjusted quite right. When I set the ride height on mine I adjusted the spring collars to where they touched the spring, but I could still turn the spring by hand. I didn't put any pre-load on the spring at all. Granted I didn't go with a big drop on the car, just a little bit. But I was more concerned with handling over looks. I was told to run my preload at 180mm, which is 7". I started at 7 5/16", went up to 7 1/2", and back down to where I am now at 6 7/8". Still a ton of noise when the car's going slow and turning. I may try to back it off a little more, but I can't understand for the life of me, why you'd have to run these things floppy to keep them quiet. Seems like a band-aid to me. I have about a 1" fender gap on mine all around, I wouldn't say it's an overly-aggressive drop, but it's not a 1/2" either. I only hear my spring pop when turning and going over bumps in driveways and into parking lots where the road is uneven and the wheels are turned at a good angle. Same here, but 99% of my driving is around town and on backroads, so it gets very annoying when you here your springs adjusting every 5 seconds. Makes the car sound cheap and feel unsafe. If I were doing mostly highway driving, my experience might be completely different... but I'm not highway driving... A couple of my friends said that is pretty normal for coilovers to make a little spring noise. I completely disagree. I've owned several sets of coilovers, the last being Tein Basics that never made a peep in over two years. Not a single boing, clunk, or even a whisper. On the opposite end of the quality spectrum I've had Ground Control sleeves mounted on Tokico struts... and even with the most primative of coilovers, still not a noise. I realize these are budget coilovers, but it's all been done before. In my mind, there's no reason these can't be quiet. Edit, I haven't loosened the nut on mine either. Andrew from AJW told me they were going to have a bearing option, so that should help with noise. I sent Andrew an email last night expressing my concerns about these coilovers, and I haven't heard back from him. If there are options out there that would help with this issue, I'd love to hear about them. I'm really hoping that I can resolve this and be happy with these, but I'm losing faith. Wonder if there are other contributing factors to my issue, like maybe shot LCA bushings or something. I'm reaching, but just because I want to get this fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Have any of you guys complaining about the spring noise had coilovers before? I've never had a set before, so I don't really know how much noise is normal. Especially from pillow ball mounts and no rubber top hats. But like I said talking to some friends that have had coilovers before sat that, that is just the nature of coilovers to produce more noise. When I think of coilover noise, I think of more road noise and the vibrations you'd feel from road imperfections. That stuff I can understand due to the nature and construction of a coilover as compared to an OEM strut / spring. Pillow ball tops tend to have a different feel as compared to a rubber isolated top hat like the stockers... But what I'm hearing is a very audible twisting / binding spring noise, not added NVH from the coilovers (although I'm getting that too). I can understand the added NVH, and I'm willing to accept that... but the BOING BOING BOING is just not working for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 The Tein Basics use the upper rubber top hat correct? My friend has the Ground Control Coilover that I think you are talking about and his makes noise in the same conditions mine do. Like I said these are my first coilovers. Your description of the spring noise is exactly how mine sound in my driveway and turning tight. I also heard that noise when I was trying to break the nut loose with a socket. I didn't have an allen wrench in the bolt to hold it so the whole shaft must have been turning and I heard the spring pop. So I never got my nut loose yet to see if I could get rid of that noise completely. So my thoughts are that the spring is binding and then snapping loose and we hear that binding pop noise. My buddy was also talking about how some companies use that bearing thing in the collar to reduce noise. I wonder if just adding a rubber sleeve on the spring ends would help or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Performance Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Hello guys, I did not know this thread existed, sorry for the delayed response. First off, thanks for all the input, I also have a set of these (street sport) on my LGT and I honestly do enjoy them very much. The ride is great I no longer fear highway potholes/bumps like I did with my lowering springs! We have sold a ton of gc8 and 02-07 wrx and have had no complaints on noise, but for some reason LGT and 08+ WRX are tight and some are having spring bind. Loosening the top nut helps a lot and for the most part decreases the noise about 80% from what I have seen http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/001.jpg For those who are more sound sensitive and want the coilover ride with more of a stock strut sound we are also working on something. I am currently sourcing some thrust bearing options. What this does is sits between the top of the spring perch and the spring and acts as another point of rotation for the coilover as it turns. Several coilover companies offer thrust bearing upgrades for a smoother and quieter ride. The ISC's are plenty smooth but as some can agree could be a bit quieter. This is what they look like, pretty simple- Here is my current stance, I may go a little lower tomorrow http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/004.jpg All in all these are a great bang for the buck, and they feel great, which is what they are supposed to do. I feel the noise can be addressed soon for those who are bothered by it... I am working with ISC on this, I am working solo on this, and now I will be working with you all on this as well, so if you have any idea's shoot me a PM. take care, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Performance Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 we are making some changes tonight to my setup, I will keep you all posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Performance Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/ISCSuspension003-1.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/ISCSuspension004-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Well this sounds good. Glad we got things figured out. Now these Coilovers will be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Performance Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 yessir I am excited, also some thrust bearings being introduced by ISC soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I'm getting a little closer to a noise free ride... Last night I backed my preload down again, now down to 7 5/8". I can turn the spring by hand on the perch, but it's not loose by any means. Limited driving today was about 100% better than before, still getting a little noise though... I think with Andrew's bushings, and coming down another 1/8" on the preload (if I have that much to move), and I'll be there. Hopefully. Thing's are looking up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Also, wanted to give a quick thank you to Andrew at AJW Performance for chiming in and working to find a resolution to this issue. Great vendor, and he's been very patient and accommodating even with my constant badgering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 tobey, sounds like you have the spring pre-load set exactly like mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Performance Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Have any of you guys recieved your bushings yet?PM me if you have any install questions!Or call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrad Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 I just got mine about 5 minutes ago. BTW, I finally loosened my top nuts and it stopped a lot of the noise that I had backing out my driveway. Hopefully I'll get to installing the bushings sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey457 Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Got mine yesterday, I'm going to install this weekend. I still owe you a review Andrew, and I will def do so once I get the bushings installed and some seat time with them in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy Road Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Anyone have photos of how the car sits after they put the coils on? I'm probably going to get a set in a couple weeks. 276hp/347tq On a DynoJet Dyno Video - Had a big lean spot as you can tell in the second pull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Performance Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Please call or email me if you guys have any install questions, I have not written a formal install guide, but its pretty straight forward IMO (for the bushings which all units now come with installed already) Windy Road,Here is what it looked like when I first installed (with ISC Street Sports):I have mine dialed in real nice now and I love how they handle. Did a 700+ Mile cruise a couple weeks ago on NH/ME/VT backroads and they were great. There are more pics in this review thread:http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1972530 http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/ISCSuspension020.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/ISCSuspension019.jpg Then I went a little lower: http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/004.jpg Customer with a nice stance:http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/firstpic.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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