Swaybar FAQ

[croll326]

whats the diameter of a stock FSB on a 05 LGT?

[Zues Marine]

I couldn't seem to find a 15MM RearSway bar for the 96 L. Anyone know where I can get one?

 

i believe the stock size for the L's RSB was 14mm, the outback 18mm

[Ryandigi]

whats the diameter of a stock FSB on a 05 LGT?

 

Believe it is either 20 or 21 mm, but don't be fooled it is supposedly hollow.

[one bad bg]

anyone wanna cut theres in half

[Baddog]

i believe the stock size for the L's RSB was 14mm, the outback 18mm

 

Do you know where I can get one? I heard Whiteline is nice but I couldn't find one for the leggy.

[croll326]

just and FYI...I purchased a Whiteline adjustable RSB and it comes with lateral locks already installed.

[kaz98gt]

what about a cross brace? the bar that goes between the top hats for the front suspension, how does that compare to a beefier sway?

[Zues Marine]

it complements it nicely, the more rigidity you between any two sides of the frame will stiffen up your ride..i felt a difference in handling when i put the front strut bar on, and i already had a 25mm front sway, 22mm rear

[whitetiger]

On a stock Subaru, it's been calculated that the swaybars do about twice as much to resist roll as the springs.

 

I dont think this is correct. springs do much more to control roll then the swaybars. in fact the best way to control roll is with stiffer springs and struts. can you post a link to this calculation?

[Zues Marine]

good info here

http://www.tsscc.org/images/handling.pdf

[whitetiger]

here is what i meant

from the article you posted

Springs and swaybars work in

tandem with each other during a cars transition and steady state handling (see Appendix

A). Both affect body roll of the car as well as weight transfer. A stiffer bar can often be

put on a car to keep body roll in check, especially if the springs are soft. Conversely, stiff

springs can be used to control body roll and smaller sway bars used with them. Which is

better and why do you want to control body roll? I prefer having stiff springs and a

smaller sway bar than the reverse. This is because a swaybar effectively makes the

suspension on that end of the car dependent (instead of independent). This means, in

order to control body roll, a sway bar will tend to lift the inside wheel in a corner, making

what happens on one side of the car dependent on the other. By using springs to control

most of the roll, you keep the suspensio n more independent from side to side.

 

It is better to have stiffer spings to control roll than soft springs and thick bars.

[one bad bg]

depends on how youre using your car ^ stiffer springs AND bars is gonna give you a better track time and handling but your back and butt is gonna suffer a bit on city streets cause it will be a bumpy ride. soft springs and stiff bars will give you an OK track time, but better than if you were stock, and youll still have a smooth ride on city streets. if you have a little extra cash just get stiff bars and find a shop that does good cage work and get just a 4 point cage. its not too crazy, you wont sacrafice interior space, and you can paint it black so it will blend in with the interior of the car. and it will act like stiffer springs but you wont have that bad bumpy ride on city streets

 

does that help?

[D_J]

it complements it nicely, the more rigidity you between any two sides of the frame will stiffen up your ride..i felt a difference in handling when i put the front strut bar on, and i already had a 25mm front sway, 22mm rear

 

What about NVH issues with the strut bar? I read about pro's/con's. Maybe the lower chasis bars create NVH, not so much the top bar?

 

Interesting about the comparisons between replacing sway bars vs struts/springs. My Outback has very soft shocks which contributed to the terrible body roll. Though since I installed 25 mm F/R sway's - the body roll has improved so much - not even sure I really need to upgrade the shocks any more.

[kaz98gt]

It's tempting to try the sways. I'm still noticing alot of roll even with the new suspension...would new mounts/bushings improve that even if I kept the stock F/RSB?

[croll326]

what is a good size FSB for a DD?

[Zues Marine]

here is what i meant

from the article you posted

 

 

It is better to have stiffer spings to control roll than soft springs and thick bars.

 

agreed

[Zues Marine]

^^for dd, the stock 20mm sway is plenty, its the tiny rear sway that you'll benefit from upgrading

[Baddog]

I need a place to get a 14mm for my L! I can't find anything

[Zues Marine]

you already have a 14mm stock.. you want bigger

[WESTcoast]

wat year did u use? i seen kits on ebay cheaper then buying them apart

 

I bought mine used off a guy with a 02 wrx, look for deals i picked mine up 100 bucks

[JimmEh]

well I got all my parts ordered. now it's a matter of time until they all arrive!! super stoked

 

rallitek 22mm front sway bar (have here)

Whiteline Subaru Rear Sway Bar BSR19XZ- 20mm adjustable

Whiteline endlinks KLC6, KLC30 (have here)

whiteline KBR21-20 Swaybar mount-h/duty kit rear

2004 sti pink struts w/top hats ETC (have here)

RCE black springs

3/8" saggy butt spacers

 

also got a borla header and cosmo racing CAI on the way. gunna be busy when it all gets here.

[Zues Marine]

thats going to be fun!

 

come down here again if you need any help installing

[mustangendsley]

Any one have a diff time putting th energy greasable c clamp on the passenger side front. I have a 25 mm perring fsb and thoses clamps on. the driver side lines up, but the passenger side clamp will not fit. it is too long. i have to grind metal down and it still dosn't fit right. I also have the MSI front endlink and they really are not fitting right ether.

[Zues Marine]

what do you mean? have any pictures? ^

 

i have a 25mm front sway too but stck clamps are working fine, i just had to hack up the bushings a bit so they wouldnt slide out of the bracket

[Ryandigi]

Any one have a diff time putting th energy greasable c clamp on the passenger side front. I have a 25 mm perring fsb and thoses clamps on. the driver side lines up, but the passenger side clamp will not fit. it is too long. i have to grind metal down and it still dosn't fit right. I also have the MSI front endlink and they really are not fitting right ether.

 

Bought 4 of those bushings, but you can not put them on the passenger side due to it being to long (as you already stated). I think there is another type of energy solutions bushing that will work (shorter), but I just used the stockers and have not had any issues in the front. Also, my rallitek endlinks worked great, but I had to do the following trick: If you are having trouble compress both of the wheels at the same time (if you have two jacks) and the end links go on much better with that LCA being as parallel to the ground as possible.