Throttlejockey Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Wow. Is that supposed to make us like the car now that it's a Camry competitor? We already knew that! Most of us have already accepted that Subaru moved away from it's original demographics with the new Legacy. You know whats sad? I was behind a Camry today and couldn't tell the difference till I could get a good look at the emblem on the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Lukewarm review, lame performance numbers. To it's credit, it is quiet ...to be fair, this was not a full review of the 3.6R it was a track test. Secondly how do these numbers match up to what the 3.0R posted? Thirdly, those interested in performance are obviously going to opt for the 2.5GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 ...unless of course, those interested in performance want an AT. And they can't get one w/ the GT. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 ...unless of course, those interested in performance want an AT. And they can't get one w/ the GT. ...well there are some '09 GTs left and most of them are automatics, heck I'm looking for one myself now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ in PA Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 It would have been nice if Subaru appealed to the masses without turning off the enthusiasts. I'm sure the Camry mobile appliance crowd would still like the new, larger Legacy if it had kept the previous generation's sleek, clean styling and the features that Subaru saw fit to delete, hoping nobody would notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 edmunds tested an 05 Automatic GT wagon in 2004. I know a wagon to sedan isn't a perfect comparison, but it's the best i could do to keep the source data the same. From their stats the 2010 has a 54 lbs penalty. the 3.6 is: .25 seconds quicker to the quarter mile traveling .15 mph faster .1 seconds slower 0-30 same 0-45 .1 second slower 0-60 .1 second quicker 0-75 1.4 mph quicker in the slalom brakes 30-0 .97 feet quicker brakes 60-0 10.89 feet quicker and is considerably quieter As I've said before. for someone wanting an auto... if they don't mind not having the hoodscoop and don't plan on modding, they aren't losing performance with the 3.6. The power delivery is also very similar to the turbos for better or for worse. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 It would have been nice if Subaru appealed to the masses without turning off the enthusiasts. I'm sure the Camry mobile appliance crowd would still like the new, larger Legacy if it had kept the previous generation's sleek, clean styling and the features that Subaru saw fit to delete, hoping nobody would notice. are you just copying and pasting at this point? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ in PA Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 No, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 yes [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 edmunds tested an 05 Automatic GT wagon in 2004. I know a wagon to sedan isn't a perfect comparison, but it's the best i could do to keep the source data the same. From their stats the 2010 has a 54 lbs penalty. the 3.6 is: .25 seconds quicker to the quarter mile traveling .15 mph faster .1 seconds slower 0-30 same 0-45 .1 second slower 0-60 .1 second quicker 0-75 1.4 mph quicker in the slalom brakes 30-0 .97 feet quicker brakes 60-0 10.89 feet quicker and is considerably quieter . Ok, so we are supposed to be impressed that a car tested almost 6 years ago has similar stats to a brand new car that's a 2010 model That's some progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 It was a rocket then too Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Apparently the only comparisons that the new 2010 Legacy wins are with cars 5-6 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Ok, so we are supposed to be impressed that a car tested almost 6 years ago has similar stats to a brand new car that's a 2010 model That's some progress no... yesterday's hot rod is today's cruiser. The 3.6 is competitive with many of the other 6 cylinders with even more HP. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 No that's just for Subaru. Except everyone else's "hotrods" of today have more power than their family sedans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbc84 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Apparently the only comparisons that the new 2010 Legacy wins are with cars 5-6 years old +1 just look at what the current competition models have compared to the 2010 Legacy 3.6R looks like 2010 legacy's engine should be on the bottom of the list 2010 Legacy 3.6R 256hp/247tq Altima 3.5L 270hp/258tq Maxima 3.5L 290hp/261tq G35x 3.7L 328hp/269tq TL 3.5L 280hp/254tq or 3.7L 305hp/273tq Accord 3.5L 271hp/254tq Camry 3.5L 268hp/248tq Mazda 6 3.7L 272hp/269tq VW CC 280hp/265tq Fusion 3.5L 263hp/249tq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verwilderd Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 +1 just look at what the current competition models have compared to the 2010 Legacy 3.6R looks like 2010 legacy's engine should be on the bottom of the list 2010 Legacy 3.6R 256hp/247tq Altima 3.5L 270hp/258tq Maxima 3.5L 290hp/261tq G35x 3.7L 328hp/269tq TL 3.5L 280hp/254tq or 3.7L 305hp/273tq Accord 3.5L 271hp/254tq Camry 3.5L 268hp/248tq Mazda 6 3.7L 272hp/269tq VW CC 280hp/265tq Fusion 3.5L 263hp/249tq I think it's been proven many, many times now that more hp doesn't equal faster. Just because those cars have more power that doesn't mean their better. Take the WRX, it will beat v8 camaro's, challengers, 370's and so on. I've seen a 600whp porsche beat a 1000 whp ford gt500 (i guess now a gt1000). So what does that tell you? Once again, the 3.6R is not a race car....neither is the legacy. It was never supposed to be the fastest car out there. Subaru only made the turbo for someone who wants that feel but doesn't want the boy racer race car. With regards to the 3.6R, Subaru only makes it to appeal to those who feel they need a 6 cylinder. In fact, this is why there aren't many that have been sold when compared to the 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 +1 just look at what the current competition models have compared to the 2010 Legacy 3.6R looks like 2010 legacy's engine should be on the bottom of the list 2010 Legacy 3.6R 256hp/247tq Altima 3.5L 270hp/258tq Maxima 3.5L 290hp/261tq G35x 3.7L 328hp/269tq TL 3.5L 280hp/254tq or 3.7L 305hp/273tq Accord 3.5L 271hp/254tq Camry 3.5L 268hp/248tq Mazda 6 3.7L 272hp/269tq VW CC 280hp/265tq Fusion 3.5L 263hp/249tq ...hmmm, the list appears a bit flawed imho as there are several non-competitors listed. The Maxima and Legacy aren't competitors and the TL and G37x are in a different league all together. The CC isn't representative of VW's entry into the class, the regular Passat is and the VR6 motor was dropped in '08. In regards to the Fusion, the 3.5L V6 is only available in the Sport which then matches up against the 2.5GT and not the 3.6R. All that being said, apples to apples the 3.6R is class competitive and a better car than the 3.0R it replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Why isnt the maxima a competitor for the Legacy? Your argument about the Fusion sport being only a GT competitor is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbc84 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I think it's been proven many, many times now that more hp doesn't equal faster. Just because those cars have more power that doesn't mean their better. Take the WRX, it will beat v8 camaro's, challengers, 370's and so on. I've seen a 600whp porsche beat a 1000 whp ford gt500 (i guess now a gt1000). So what does that tell you? Once again, the 3.6R is not a race car....neither is the legacy. It was never supposed to be the fastest car out there. Subaru only made the turbo for someone who wants that feel but doesn't want the boy racer race car. With regards to the 3.6R, Subaru only makes it to appeal to those who feel they need a 6 cylinder. In fact, this is why there aren't many that have been sold when compared to the 4. I know more power doesnt equal faster, and we all know that the 2010 legacy is no race car . You would think since this is a new generation car they would give it a more competive edge against their aging competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viber Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 I cant wait to see the 3.6 in its first comparo. Especially against the Mazda6 which is huge, and can fit an airplane in its back seat, but hits 0-60 in 6.5sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I cant wait to see the 3.6 in its first comparo. Especially against the Mazda6 which is huge, and can fit an airplane in its back seat, but hits 0-60 in 6.5sec and it doesn't sell [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Why isnt the maxima a competitor for the Legacy? ...the Maxima and the Legacy perhaps last matched up up well before the Altima was introduced. Based on size, features, price and some other measures the current Maxima and the current Legacy are tailored to very different segments of the market. The Altima is Nissan's entry into the mid-size market and has been for about three generations now, not the Maxima. Your argument about the Fusion sport being only a GT competitor is laughable. ...not at all, having driven the Fusion Sport and the '10 GT these are two that dynamically match up when evaluating both Fusion lineup vs the Legacy lineup. In regards to performance the 2.5GT is more than a match for the Fusion Sport (or most anything else in the class actually). Even Motor Trend made a similar comparo before awarding the new Fusion COTY. Generally, those looking for a V6 in the Fusion sans the sport are going to opt for the 3.0L V6 SE or SEL and not the Sport. The 3.0L Duratec motor only produces 240hp and is more in line with the general midsize competition. Those buyers in search of a sportier, better performing mid size sedan are looking at the Fusion Sport and 2.5GT in addition to other sportier mid-size line offerings like the 3.5SR, SEV6, and 6S Grand Touring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 looks like R&T hit 0-60 in 6.5 in the 3.6R [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throttlejockey Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Whoa! Supercar territory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yeah that H6 is really stomping on cars like the Accord, Camry, Altima :lol: IBB4orDownXshiftsaysitsjustasfastbutwithlesspowersomorebetter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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