tuan Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 awdG35killer, It's the same. You flash through the OBD2 port. Tuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Fine. I guess all the Dynapaks should be packed up and shipped back down under. How do they calibrate these things? Is it horsepower or kangaroo power? Anyone who believes that a retuned stock LGT can make 280 ft-lbs at the wheels (and I mean honest to goodness torque not just a graph) is either very gullible, nieve or ignorant. You're putting way too much stock in that number. Not that its wrong, but you cant compare different dynos on different days in different conditions. Notice that this particular dyno put the LGT at 210 whp stock (IIRC), which is about as high as I've seen from any dyno. So it runs high, fine...that's still taken into account when you look at before and after reflash numbers. The important thing here is the differential between the before and after dynos, not the after peak numbers which apparently have your panties all up in a bunch. Life's a bitch, get over it. And hearing someone from So Cal call Chicago "Shitcago" = hilarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiffarmleft Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I noticed that you are running 16 psi of peak boost same as AP stage 2, but the stage 2 tapers off at 14 psi and you taper off at 10psi. How much peak and redline boost would be run with a catless downpipe, equivilent to AP stage 2, I assume the reason for the 10 psi at redline is due to the lack of a catless downpipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 And a mod reminder here guys... keep the tone calm and the language non-confrontational. All of us benefit from the dialogue... not all of us benefit from the name calling and personal attacks, so take it to PM if you must. Back on topic - Spanky - what UP/DP combo are you going to be using? I'm sorry if I missed that. SBT - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC GT Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 That's an amazing tune for bone stock. What are some other Ecutek custom tune numbers that others have achieved at Stage 1? I don't think anyone else has come close to approaching those kinds of percentage gains on a stock car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuan Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 SC GT, Spanky was the first Legacy that I tuned. I was quite ummm shocked to see that I was able to make that much torque. Oddly enough it is about the same (midrange torque) as I would make on a stock STi with a reflash. Boost peaks between 16-17psi tapering off to about 12-13 psi by redline. Tuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyLGT Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 And a mod reminder here guys... keep the tone calm and the language non-confrontational. All of us benefit from the dialogue... not all of us benefit from the name calling and personal attacks, so take it to PM if you must. Back on topic - Spanky - what UP/DP combo are you going to be using? I'm sorry if I missed that. SBT Perrin Down-pipe and probably the GT Spec headers w/up-pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awdG35killer Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 awdG35killer, It's the same. You flash through the OBD2 port. Tuan ah, thanks. do you use a device or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mf66 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Spanky, What track do you run at ? Any ones to avoid ? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyLGT Posted March 15, 2005 Author Share Posted March 15, 2005 ah, thanks. do you use a device or something? The only thing outside of the OBD2 connector that it uses is a programming block switch that puts the ECU into utility mode. It uses the 2 connectors for reseting the ECU with a switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Spanky, What track do you run at ? Any ones to avoid ? Mark Byron's always treated me pretty well and I've run good times there. I went 13.7@100 in a stock '03 Mustang GT there. GLD is supposed to hook the best, but their tech is tough, so if you go with any fast cars without a cage, they're not going to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC GT Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 How's this for a challenge? Since we've got a lot of Chicago members, and some skepticism regarding Spanky's numbers, why don't we have a Chicago member with an AP go to Tuan for an ECUTEC tune. Tuan can dyno with the AP and with the EKUTEC. If the EKUTEC tune fails to come within 10% of the numbers Spanky posted, then the member can get reflashed back to stock for free. If Tuan matches Spanky's tune, then the member pays for and keeps the tune, and then sells his AP in the classifieds. I'd really like to see if Spanky just has one of those "exceptional" cars, or if Tuan can consistently match that tune. I'd also like to see how a Stage 1 AP does on that dyno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Spanky – How much does a dino run cost at GRD? Im stock and willing to do a run for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Their web site quotes $150 for 3-5 AWD runs (add $25 for auto). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwaydrifter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 How's this for a challenge? Since we've got a lot of Chicago members, and some skepticism regarding Spanky's numbers, why don't we have a Chicago member with an AP go to Tuan for an ECUTEC tune. Tuan can dyno with the AP and with the EKUTEC. If the EKUTEC tune fails to come within 10% of the numbers Spanky posted, then the member can get reflashed back to stock for free. If Tuan matches Spanky's tune, then the member pays for and keeps the tune, and then sells his AP in the classifieds. I'd really like to see if Spanky just has one of those "exceptional" cars, or if Tuan can consistently match that tune. I'd also like to see how a Stage 1 AP does on that dyno. Evidently you dont know how licensing works for ecutek... In flashing an ecu he would be using up one of his license keys (not cheap, say 6xx dollars). Even if he reflashed it back to stock he would still be out that license key. So while that sounds good and dandy i dont think he would take the hit to prove a point, now if someone wanted to pay him for it that would prob be different. And an ecutek is going to give you a better tune if the tuner knows what he is doing and has the right tools (wide band, dyno, etc). No way a pre canned tune can beat a good tuner with the right tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwaydrifter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 oh one more thing.. any idea on the atmospheric compensation settings on the dyno were at the time of the run? It would be logarithmic increase in power not a fixed number if the settings were to high.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyLGT Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 I've already spoken to Tuan and he lead me to believe he will take that challenge. I'll let him come on here and say it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwaydrifter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 more power to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC GT Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I've already spoken to Tuan and he lead me to believe he will take that challenge. I'll let him come on here and say it himself. Cool beans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I do love it when people put their money where their mouths are. Although in actuality, any good tuner will always be able to beat an off -the-shelf tune with a custom tune. So if the "bet" is that if Tuan comes up with better numbers than an AP tune, the car's owners pays for and keep the tune, it's pretty much a slam dunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC GT Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I do love it when people put their money where their mouths are. Although in actuality, any good tuner will always be able to beat an off -the-shelf tune with a custom tune. So if the "bet" is that if Tuan comes up with better numbers than an AP tune, the car's owners pays for and keep the tune, it's pretty much a slam dunk. In re-reading my "challenge", I realize what I meant to say and what I actually said were two different things. I meant to say that I'd like to see Tuan get within 10% of Spanky's gains, not just his numbers. E.g., Spanky gained 43 hp (+20%), and 59 ft/lbs (+26%). In my mind, Tuan would be successful if he was able to get at least an 18% hp and +23 ft/lb over a stock baseline. For comparison's sake: GRD ECUTek (93 octane) 211 hp and 227 ft/lb stock baseline --> 254 hp (+20%) and 286 ft/lb (+26%) after Stage 0 ECUTek tune. Cobb AccessPort (91 octane) 196 hp and 219 ft/lb stock baseline --> 224 hp (+14%) and 248 lb/ft (+13%) after AP Stage 1, map v. 1.01. PDX ECUTek (92 octane) 191 hp and 190 ft/lb stock baseline --> 225 hp (+18%) and 228 ft/lb (+20%) after Stage 0 ECUTek tune. Harman Motive ECUTek (91 octane) 203 hp and 222 ft/lb stock baseline --> 230 hp (+13%) and 252 (+14%) after ECUtek'ing an otherwise stock LGT. PDX has come close to 10% of Spanky's percentage gains, so it shouldn't be too hard for Tuan/GRD to do so. (I didn't realize PDX's gains were as good as they are when I typed the "challenge"). Unfortunately, the way it came out was that Tuan should come within 10% of Spanky's numbers, which would just be 229 hp and 257 ft/lb, which on GRD's dyno wouldn't seem too hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Thanks for posting the numbers in tabular form. Couple notes though. The Cobb tq number should be 248, not 252 and the most important note would be the fuels used in each case. The AP and Harman Motive tunes were on 91 octane. The PDX tune was on 92 octane and the GRD tune was on 93 octane. Interestingly and pehaps obviously, there seems to be some pretty strong correlation between fuel quality and the power numbers. Another point of clarification. When you say within 10% of Spanky's % gains, I calculate that to be 249hp/280tq, assuming the same baseline numbers, or gains of 18%hp and 23.4%tq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 And don't forget altitude (if those numbers are uncorrected)... Chicago's about 10 feet above sea level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyLGT Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 And don't forget altitude (if those numbers are uncorrected)... Chicago's about 10 feet above sea level. 692 ft. So Cal is in a lower elevation than Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuan Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 For the record I only made a 38HP gain on Spanky's Legacy. I will get involve a later this afternoon as this morning I'm a little busy. Tuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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