mwiener2 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 if they overheated the bremdo's, they had the wrong pads My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I suppose it's also relative to what you are used to. I have a full Brembo swap, Brembo rotors, ATE fluid (fresh, and yes bled properly), SS lines, Carbotech Bobcat pads, and although I like how quick it stops it's not a firm pedal, not even close. You press the pedal down and of course it stops properly and with some decent feel but it's mushy. I can bounce on the pedal another 1" or so at a stop... that's a lot of movement. On the other hand, my nephews STI has very little pedal travel, little effort, much better feel, much easier to modulate, and when stopped you cannot push it further at all. It's very firm. Night and day difference and our brake set up is identical other than m/c, booster, and pad choice. Go figure... [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 ^ My Brembo setup (Ferrodo DS2500 pads, SS lines) does not have any hint of mushiness. Ever tried different pads than Bobcats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Still no mushy here..... on either sets of pads I use My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Since the brake upgrade I have only tried the OEM STI pads which I actually prefered over the Bobcats. DS25000's have always gotten good reviews. I may try them next. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Yep, OEM STI (made by Jurid) are very good. I like DS2500 bit better though. So, speaking of mushiness, yes, there is no solid end-point on my brakes either, if that's what you're missing (and comparing to STI). I guess 08+ STI booster/master cylinder would fit no problem. I think there might an extra line(s) in the cylinder due to VDC, but I guess these could be simply plugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTuner Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 The StopTech BBK with some lines would make you smile. Pedal travel before they engage is tight, they reminded me of how the brake pedal on a Viper feels. I'd buy that kit in a NY second if I had the funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Bottom line is that although I consider it mushy they do still work and work well. I just wish it 'felt' better. Not really worth exploring any options other than adding a Cusco M/C brace. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsmith30132 Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 ^ I tired that one and it doesnt fit the legacy. Someone on here posted a photo of one installed so I ordered it. Long story short it doesnt fit and they had to of Jerry rigged it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Has anyone actually installed a large cylinder? Or do I gotta be the guinea pig? I'm going to get pads, lines, rotors and fluid soon, might as well do the cylinder too. The theory behind the upgrade seems pretty sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Crapnuggets... ^ I tired that one and it doesnt fit the legacy. Someone on here posted a photo of one installed so I ordered it. Long story short it doesnt fit and they had to of Jerry rigged it. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Yes please!!! has anyone actually installed a large cylinder? Or do i gotta be the guinea pig? i'm going to get pads, lines, rotors and fluid soon, might as well do the cylinder too. The theory behind the upgrade seems pretty sound. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebpda9 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 after countless bleeding hours and troubleshooting the brakes i got to the same conclusion. The only time my pedal feels nice and firm is when there are new pads and rotors installed on the car. Once they get worn beyond 70% the brakes get mushy. I am asking a local guy to see if we can do a swap on my 2.5i. on the other hand, my brakes on the i are a lot smaller than the gt so in theory my brakes should be a lot firmer than on a gt, yet they are not. I have never compared the piston sizes between the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 i just bought a STi MC and booster for cheap... lets see how this goes. Well??? Inquiring minds want to know! Is the booster necessary, or is it reasonable to swap the MC alone? (I'm only just barely familiar with how brake systems work.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'd say the booster is necessary. I think Subaru was bragging about major improvements in 08 STI booster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I have not had a mushy pedal at all, ever, with the ST calipers all around. I know I have seen written that STi Brembo calipers have a good bit of flex, and we know the stock calipers have a LOT of flex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 i just bought a STi MC and booster for cheap... lets see how this goes. I see your fairly local. We should compare brakes. Maybe I'm just crazy. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfdrumr Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I am close. I have yet to install the booster. I may do it in March. I am at school in Denver,CO right now and the car is in Los Angeles. It is coming up here in march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overl0ad Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 apologies for digging this up, but just wondering if anyone get some results. i'm looking to swap out my MC and booster if required cos the feel is actually quite sad... that being said, i've had the following done on my MY07 GTB: SS lines slotted rear discs, project HC+ pads 4 pot sumitomo front upgrades 332mm front disc, cross drilled fluids cusco BCS feel to me that if i do the rears now, i'll loose even more feel. it's feel that i'm trying to improve, the actual stopping power is decent, but the subie feels worse than my '90 honda prelude with stock stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Any idea if something like this would be compatible with our cars? http://www.jegs.com/i/Wilwood/950/260-10376/10002/-1?parentProductId=1170559 -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Well I tried to put the STi master cylinder , but wouldnt fit , due to bolt holes not in same place.. If i cant put the cylinder on, then no point in trying to the booster. I also tried the perrin STiffi master cylinder brace and no good.. Going to have a metal shop fabricate a master cylinder brace, just havent had time. I know the cusco one fits but more expensive and some stuff has to be moved in order to make the cusco brace fit.. I have a brace designed for master brake cylinder for legacy gt on paper, but havent had metal shop fabricate yet. Once i get em made i will post some feedback. Good luck on your venture to make these brakes better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice_rocket Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Hmm I'm just hopping into this thread because I finally had enough of my "mushy" pedal. I just recently bought a brand new CR-V for the wife and kid to drive.. and I have to say that the CR-V's pedal is a bajillion times better. In fact, I had a few jerky stops when I started to drive it just because of the lightning fast braking on it. When I went back to driving my LGT I almost ran a stop sign because I forgot how much further I have to push the pedal until it "bites" and that I have to hold onto it. I remember back in the day when I first got the LGT and sold my evo I had the exact same problem. Of course brakes in the Evo were superior and upgraded so I thought nothing of it. Changed my pads and bled the brakes on the LGT, and still no marked improvement in bite or pedal travel. I haven't ventured into SS lines nor new rotors since they were all very meaty to start off with. So.. any good fixes yet? I didn't see anymore posts about the Master Cylinder brace. I might change to Hawk race pads for my next change just to see if they indeed bite sooner. I definitely don't mind if it wears out my rotors sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I feel your pain, the pedaltravel on these cars sucks, So far no fix, I got slotted rotors, braided lines. No help at all. Only thing that helped a little is hawk hp plus pads very grabby. Stay away from hps on about 5% better than stock pads, going put my STi Brembos on this month and trying to make a master cylinder reinforcement bracket to see if it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyjr Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 My brake feel improved quite a bit with the addition of Wilwood calipers (same type pads-Hawk HPS) . Still not even close to pedal fell/travel of my stock 05 WRX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew888 Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Darkside, I work at Eaton Aerospace and we have local vendors that I think can make a one off for a reasonable price. I intended to mock something up, get a contact from our facilities dept, then ask [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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