iNVAR Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Why are you putting the 93 realtime on? We specifically told you to put 91 on. Flash 91 and leave it alone and see how you fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoozeRS05 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) I have the 91 OCT map as my base map in case I can't get 93 OCT if I'm traveling or if I think I got some bad gas, in which case I could reset my ecu and default to my base 91 OCT map. Otherwise my realtime map is the 93 OCT map to take advantage of the fact that I can regularly get 93 OCT. I can see why you might suggest using stg2 91 OCT maps even if you can get 93 OCT, but since stg1 is only a small step up from the OEM map I don't know why I shouldn't take advantage. Edited December 8, 2012 by BoozeRS05 EB's Subaru journal - 2005 LegacyGT Wagon & 2014 Forester FB25 (2008 specB - RIP) IG@legacygtliving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieutenantcolumbo Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Not totally relevant in this situation, but fyi If you have a Cobb you can also just dial back your timing directly with the AP if you get bad gas and not even change the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I have the 91 OCT map as my base map in case I can't get 93 OCT if I'm traveling or if I think I got some bad gas, in which case I could reset my ecu and default to my base 91 OCT map. Otherwise my realtime map is the 93 OCT map to take advantage of the fact that I can regularly get 93 OCT. I can see why you might suggest using stg2 91 OCT maps even if you can get 93 OCT, but since stg1 is only a small step up from the OEM map I don't know why I shouldn't take advantage. Because you're knocking. Put the 91 octane map on. You're not taking advantage of anything by forcing more timing than it can handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If you knock you are making less power so you are not only NOT taking advantage of anything, you are also putting the engine at risk. FYI, the AP does reset the ECU upon a reflash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 fish, I know it does on a reflash, but I don't believe it does on a RT map change. (i.e. tossing on 93, valet, "eco" mode, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Good news, fellas! Knock is no more. I'm thinking it could be for a few reasons: 1. I was low on oil and did a change so a full capacity of oil may buffer sounds otherwise interpreted as knock 2. I noticed that the reflash map was still the 93 oct stg II map and so that would explain why I got similar numbers after that initial map change from 93-91 stg II map. On the new map I have a DAM of 1 and 0 Feedback Knock and 0 Fine Knock Correction Woot...thanks for your help guys!12.8.12 Cobb stage II 91 Oct.csv Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 You two are confusing me. Make another thread or something because I'm mixing up the two of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 LOL, I did the same thing earlier on a reply you posted, iNVAR. I had to delete my post when I realized you weren't refering to me. ripemeat will know what this is about. Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoozeRS05 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I noticed you were confusing us earlier too... I don't know how though, he's got a sweet pic of a dog breakdancing, and mines a car pic. EB's Subaru journal - 2005 LegacyGT Wagon & 2014 Forester FB25 (2008 specB - RIP) IG@legacygtliving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripemeat Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 good news doobaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Okay, so doob, you should continue logging periodically and make sure it stays like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) Yea I will, this whole thing really concerned me so I'm going to try and keep an eye on it. Plus i learned a ton from you guys and some other sources so i feel a lot more comfortable self-monitoring. Think I should get a tune? Or just run this map? Edited December 9, 2012 by doobaruGT Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripemeat Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 it looks like you can run that map and be safe as long as the logs look like that. you could get a custom tune for a little bit more power but it looks like your car doesn't want to take much timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Yea it seems pretty happy for the time being. Besides, if the turbo goes and I upgrade, then I'll need another tune anyway. That $150 could be well spent on supporting mods/tunes Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm200 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Fish your not alone in the random sporadic low load knock corrections. Running Cobb stg 2 91oct with only a catted downpipe. Cruising on the highway at 65 (~2500rpm where i also get that damn stutter/hesitation) I get anywhere from -2.4 to -4.2 when gently but quickly dipping into and off the gas. Also a few times a week I can get up to -7 for a split second. This usually occurs between 40 and 50mph constant throttle. Spent weeks emailing Cobb and they couldn't seem to provide much insight. Aggravating, hope to get it custom tuned in the next few months to see if it can clean things up. Also want to note I never get any form of knock when doing WOT pulls. Any way to get a learning view with the accessport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeeeeYa Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 This thread may be of interest to anyone frustrated by low-load knock: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/stutter-studder-hesitation-etc-198070.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) After having had TGV deletes (including port/polish) doen this summer due to malfunction (sticking), it appears that a bunch of knock has simply cleared itself? The map has not been reviewed in any way, everything else is the same as before. All I can tell is I am no longer seeing a bunch of phantom FLKC that I was seeing before and IAM has not droped even once since the deletes. Could be coincidental but there it is nonetheless. The TGVs have been throwing sporadic CELs for 3 winters now, about 3-4 times in the span of 4 months. Would usually go away on its own. Can't remember but either driver or pass side sticking shut. Then finally one side completely failed and they would stay shut after cold start-up until the engine would be turned off/on again once warmed up. Drove like shit. Edited January 10, 2013 by fishbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoozeRS05 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Got my first data log... Anyone take a look and tell me if anything is suspicious? 3rd gear from 2k rpms to about 6k rpms WOTdatalog9.csv EB's Subaru journal - 2005 LegacyGT Wagon & 2014 Forester FB25 (2008 specB - RIP) IG@legacygtliving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Looks clean, typical stage 1 except for that -4 FBKC at the very, very end but that's just a hiccup. Looks like you might've blipped the throttle to rev match on a downshift or something? You didn't even make it to 6K though. Redline would be nice but it's hard to find a good stretch of empty road like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoozeRS05 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Good to hear, thanks for a quick reply. I have a great stretch of road to use for these pulls, but I rarely go past 5.5k rpms DD'ing that I didn't feel the need to run it out past what I thought was 6k rpms.. Likely on the throttle a little too much trying to get into 4th gear. Is there useful data running a log for say my daily commute, ~8 rural miles? EB's Subaru journal - 2005 LegacyGT Wagon & 2014 Forester FB25 (2008 specB - RIP) IG@legacygtliving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Wouldn't hurt. If you feel like it, go ahead. I did it quite regularly when I was dialing in partial throttle targets on my map. 10 miles each way of my commute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 took some logs today romraiderlog_20130125_181516.csv 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Possibly a small intake leak somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Heard from my tuner and he said it was likely clutch chatter that was being perceived as knock and not real knock. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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