Ok who does Lent fridays?

[Meltdown07]

I dont thing you will be able to JUSTIFY yourself to God. Im sure God already knows why you are doing what you are doing.

 

 

1. To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid:

2. To declare free of blame; absolve.

3. To free (a human) of the guilt and penalty attached to grievous sin. Used of God.

4. Law a. To demonstrate sufficient legal reason for (an action taken

 

There have been and will be worse avatars and signatures on this site, get over yourself. If you have a problem with Coxx PM him, keep the off topic out of the thread please. Who are you to tell Coxx/us how to be a good catholic? Don't worry about Coxx's salvation, that is on his hands. Just concern yourself with your own, and that of your family.

 

Advice:

1) This forum provides a means for turning off avatar views in the user control panel (User CP), I suggest you use that. I think your daughter has probably seemed somebody punching something on TV at some point in her life, so lets not get all bent out of shape about the avatar.

2) If you press the escape key, avatars with 'movement' or 'animation' will stop, so it will be just a picture.

3) Either that or you could also place Coxx on your ignore list, and then you'll never have to see what he writes.

 

Speaking as a person that went to Catholic school I applaud your efforts to protect your daughter. Its good to see parents that are developing their children right, in this day and age. Just realize that she will be exposed to things in her lifetime that are evil or inappropriate, your job is to protect her, but also to prepare her for this. I distinctly remember switching from private to public schools in 5th grade, and calling that a culture shock would be way understated, because my parents didnt prepare me, for what I saw in public schools that I was sheltered from in private schools. In the grand scheme of things, Coxx's signature and avatar are pretty low on the 'evil' list.

[Meltdown07]

I think a fillet-o-fish sounds good today. I haven't had one in years, believe it or not!

[rc0032]

Well when I am spending time on the forum and my daughter walks by and sees the avitar of something getting punched in anger and I see MOTHER FUCKER at the bottom of every single post you put on the web I say to myself what on earth is he worried about keeping lent for.

 

I guess all those years in catholic school must have been a waste

UserCP -> edit options -> uncheck "show avatars" and "show signatures"

 

 

On topic - I was in Ireland for lent and they gave up the no meat Friday a long time ago. I found this strange.

[Guest heightsgtltd]

^^ uh oh...hello vacation for RC

[rc0032]

Ok I will settle for pics of the wife

[coxx]

On topic - I was in Ireland for lent and they gave up the no meat Friday a long time ago. I found this strange.

yeah but they have other rules like no dances during lent

[rc0032]

Not when I was there. They said they gave up the meat rule because no one could cook fish right

[coxx]

Not when I was there. They said they gave up the meat rule because no one could cook fish right

really they can't cook much of anything right over there :lol:

 

There's a place called McDonagha's in Galway that has AWESOME fish. Galway is also known for it's oysters

[korpsepatrol]

I eat bacon on lent fridays. I find it to be similar to fish but tastes better.

[Scooby2.5]

I have a better idea. How about you don't teach your kid what those words mean & then you won't have an issue I'm guessing you meant you have a small child in which case she shouldn't know what those words are or mean.

 

In the real world, people punch fax machines sometimes

 

You definitely should teach your child morals on the internet Where every other pop-up is for porn & every spam email is for viagra

 

How bout you keep you innocent child away from TV where there might be a trojan commercial or a levitra commercial

 

I guess Catholic school was a waste right?

 

You must be the Lord himself

 

Judge not lest ye be judged

 

Let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone

 

Have a nice day

 

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

 

This is the verse so many use to try to shame Christians for discerning poor behavior, ethics, morals, and values: the "judge not lest ye be judged" verse. So many times people, mostly teens have emailed us saying "judge not lest you be judged" regarding our analysis reports which reveal to their parents the content of movies. Using only Matt 7:1 is entirely incomplete. This verse is not speaking to not judging at all -- it is speaking to not judging unfair or any other cheap and selfish way. Read the rest of the story ...

 

Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense we think of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin]." At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin.

 

* Jesus' use of "hypocrite" in this verse is "hupokrites" {hoop-ok-ree-tace'} meaning an actor, stage player, a dissembler, pretender.

 

And, as a FEW examples of His desire for us to judge,

 

 

1Cor. 6:2-3 Do you not know that the saints [the saved; Christians] will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Prov. 3:21 My son, preserve sound judgment and discernment, do not let them out of your sight;

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Jer. 22:3 Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness...

Phil. 1:10 so that you may be able to discern [judge] what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ...

Phil. 1:7 It is right for me to feel this way about all of you [judge you]...

 

Matt 7:1 seems to support the allusion that we are not to judge at all if we use small-vision tactics by focusing on only that small piece of the total of what Jesus was saying.

 

Look at John 7:24. There, Jesus tells us to judge, but to do so righteously. Righteously means to use the Truth of the Word to discern sins and not by appearances only. In 1Cor. 6:2-3 Jesus authorizes us to judge. Judge we must else we could not discern good from bad, proper from improper, righteousness from evil. But judge behavior, not the individual; the deed not the doer; the choice not the chooser. The individual/doer/chooser is accountable for his/her deed/choice, but judge the deed/choice in your judgment. Jesus could see a king in a shepherd boy. And an Apostle in a murderer. So while we must judge one's behavior we must we try to nurture the goodness in an individual: to separate the deed from the doer.

 

And to continue, Matt 7:6 says. "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs (the KJV says "swine"). If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." How are we going to know as undesirable the behaviors of "dogs" and "swine" if we do not judge?

 

Yes, we do have the right and the authority to judge the behavior of others as long as we honor and obey His Word doing it. That Jesus is the only one who can judge is speaking to judging whether someone is or is not saved. Neither you nor I nor anyone else who ever draws a breath (except Jesus) has the authority to say whether another has or has not been saved. Only Jesus can make that judgment since only He can give Salvation. Nor may we who discern poor behavioral based on His Word think of ourselves as "better than" the one whose behavior we judge as poor.

 

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

 

This is another counterfeiting of the Scriptures many have tried to use to shame us for what we do in his name. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is not speaking judging. Let me explain.

 

Using the KJV this time, in John 8:1 - 11 scribes and Pharisees had caught a woman in the act of adultery (the woman commonly referred to as the prostitute) and told Jesus who was teaching in the temple that the Mosaic Law required she be stoned to death. Trying to make an opportunity of this to trick Jesus that they might accuse Him, they, with stones in hand, asked Jesus what He says about the Law. After Jesus tried to ignore their repeated questioning, He told them "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." One by one each man dropped his stone and walked away.

 

Jesus was not arguing with the judgment. Nor was Jesus arguing the law nor the woman's guilt. Jesus was arguing with our right to execute the woman. Once all the men had dropped their stones Jesus confronted the woman and asked her if any of the men were still there to condemn her. When she answered "No man, Lord", Jesus told her that neither did He - He forgave her of her sin. He did not excuse the sin of adultery/prostitution, he forgave her of it. All that is sinful before forgiveness is still sinful after forgiveness. Not only was Jesus not afraid to call a sin a sin, He was not afraid to call a sinner a sinner. He even reminded her of the sin of adultery/prostitution by telling her "Go and sin no more."

 

The point of this as applicable to this article? Jesus did not argue the act of judging the chosen behavior of the adulteress/prostitute.

 

Some have told us we should be more tolerant. "Tolerance" has become quite probably the most abused and misused word in the English language. We will not situationally redefine or conditionally apply His Word to suit political correctness, cultural tolerances, modern ethics and false religions or even to avoid invading the comfort zone of Christians. Jesus spent three days in Hell so you and I would not have to spend one moment there! For too long, well-meaning clergy have pabulum fed the people with watered down Scriptures to avoid invading the comfort zone. We will not do that. We love you too much to feed you lies or less-than-truths. It is people who do who pull people away from the CHRIST of Christianity. Practicing the Christian faith and what is expected of it is being very intolerant ... of sin ... even our own by His Word, not yours or mine, by embracing the sinner but not embracing the sin; by helping the sinner, even ourselves, out of bondage to the sin by loving him/her enough to tell the Truth. On Judgment Day, Jesus will send the unforgiven sinner into the fiery pits of Hell in a heartbeat. Now that is intolerance. Of sin. And Righteously so. He further will not excuse any single sin. In the example of the adulteress/prostitute, Jesus forgave her sin but did not excuse it. Worth repeating, Jesus did not argue the judgment, the act of judging nor did He argue the law. He argued our right to execute the woman. Adultery/prostitution is just as sinful now, after Jesus forgave the woman of it, as it was before He forgave her. He will forgive us all our sins -- past, present, future -- if we are humble enough to ask believing. But He will not excuse any sin. All behavior that is sinful before forgiveness is still sinful after. More intolerance. And righteously so.

 

The Bible provides quite enough knowledge and understanding to make each of us a righteous judge of behavior, even and especially our own if we r-e-a-d it and not just look at the words and use the total of what He says, not just the pieces that seem to fit an agenda: that seem to fill our own bellies; that seem to excuse sin in "sinema."

[Scooby2.5]

Don't Judge, Lest you Be Judged!

By Chris Good

 

Matthew 7:1-3

1Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,

and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye

and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

 

There are a lot of accusations going around in Christian circles about people "judging" other people and not being "tolerant". Often the passage above is cited to support those bringing new teachings and practices into the church. Indeed, in our post-modern age - the greatest sin is "intolerance" and it seems this is also increasingly the case in many churches. Anyone who wants to critique something is instantly dismissed as 'judgemental' (so much for tolerance then!).

 

1) Judging: an apparent contradiction

 

When we turn to Scripture, many people at first glance are confused. Scripture seems to assert very clearly that we are not to judge. However in other places it seems to equally clearly assert the opposite. Some examples are:

 

Do Not JudgeDo JudgeMatthew 7:1-2

1Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.1 Corinthians 2:15

The spiritual man [ie: the believer] makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgmentRomans 2:1

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 ... Expel the immoral brother!Romans 14:10,13

10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 13...therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another... 1 Corinthians 6:1-4

1If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church.James 4:11-12

11... Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it... 12... who are you to judge your neighbour?1 Corinthians 4:5

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.1 Corinthians 5:3

Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this [sin of incest], just as if I were present.etc.etc.

We seem to have a dilemma of being commanded to judge, and not to judge - in many cases within the same book, or even chapter!

 

 

2) Judging: the contradiction resolved

 

Although at first glance these passages may appear contradictory, a few basic considerations lead to a different conclusion:

• Context, context, context!
  It is crucial to remember that all passages have a context, and to take this into account when interpreting a passage of Scripture. Often those who would accuse other Christians of being 'judgemental' may make the mistake of taking passages out of context and misinterpreting what they say. For example, most of the passages in the "Do Not Judge" column, when read in their wider context, clearly refer to not judging people hypocritically or arbitrarily according to human rules or opinions (eg: see Matthew 7:1-6,15-22; Romans 14:1 cf v10,13; etc.). The passages in the "Do Judge" column are all examples of judging by or according to God's revealed standards in His Word.
  
• Clearer passages
  Having looked at the immediate context, we must also look at the context of the rest of Scripture to allow those passages that speak most clearly to be a priority in our interpretation. When we do refer to those scriptures with greater clarity the issue of Judging becomes much clearer. For example, John 7:24 states: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (NKJV). God's righteousness is revealed in His Word, so it follows we are to judge by it. Hence, it is clear from even this one passage that there is a superficial judging which is forbidden, and a godly judging which is commanded and commended. This confirms our findings above.

Once these factors are taken into account, then it becomes apparent that there is no contradiction, as these passages refer to different kinds of judgement.

 

 

3) Judgment applied

 

From our considerations above we can conclude:

• The judgement that is forbidden is hypocritical judgement.
  
• The judgment that is commanded is judgement according to God's Word.

It is God's Word that judges, while we are to follow its verdict:

 

 

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active.

Sharper than any double-edged sword,

it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;

it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

 

Our Lord Jesus says, "If you love me, you will obey what I command." (John 14:15). He has commanded us to judge/test those in the church according to the standards of His Word so that we should not be deceived (1 John 4:1 cf Matthew 24:23-25; Acts 17:11; 1 Corinthians 14:29; 2 Timothy 4:2-4; 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12; etc.). This is what we are seeking to faithfully do. In doing so we do not need to fear the accusation of "judge not" - for we seek to judge faithfully by His Word. Because we stand on God's Word, we are willing and able to be corrected and judged by it ourselves if shown to be wrong in our stance.

 

 

Conclusion: Do not judge the faithful, lest you be judged!

 

Those who criticise people who seek to judge by the standards given in God's Word seem oblivious to the fact that in their criticism they too are judging those they oppose by labelling them 'judgemental'! However, is this critical judgment being based upon God's Word, or upon those things by which we are forbidden to judge: traditions of men, party spirit, autonomous human opinion, reason or experience, etc.?! If the latter, remember our Lord's warning:

 

 

Matthew 7:1-3

1Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,

and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye

and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

[Scooby2.5]

There have been and will be worse avatars and signatures on this site, get over yourself. If you have a problem with Coxx PM him, keep the off topic out of the thread please. Who are you to tell Coxx/us how to be a good catholic? Don't worry about Coxx's salvation, that is on his hands. Just concern yourself with your own, and that of your family.

 

Advice:

1) This forum provides a means for turning off avatar views in the user control panel (User CP), I suggest you use that. I think your daughter has probably seemed somebody punching something on TV at some point in her life, so lets not get all bent out of shape about the avatar.

2) If you press the escape key, avatars with 'movement' or 'animation' will stop, so it will be just a picture.

3) Either that or you could also place Coxx on your ignore list, and then you'll never have to see what he writes.

 

Speaking as a person that went to Catholic school I applaud your efforts to protect your daughter. Its good to see parents that are developing their children right, in this day and age. Just realize that she will be exposed to things in her lifetime that are evil or inappropriate, your job is to protect her, but also to prepare her for this. I distinctly remember switching from private to public schools in 5th grade, and calling that a culture shock would be way understated, because my parents didnt prepare me, for what I saw in public schools that I was sheltered from in private schools. In the grand scheme of things, Coxx's signature and avatar are pretty low on the 'evil' list.

 

Thanks for the tips on turning off the inappropiate material.

 

As for portions of your other comments Ill forbear

[Scooby2.5]

"Have a nice day :)"

 

I am now that I was able to get your temper tantrum turned off as well as all the nudity.

Now my wife will even be happy when she walks by

[FJuan]

[Meltdown07]

Our temper tantrum? You're a real piece of work! I wouldnt exactly say you 'forbear'ed' anything.

 

Can we have an 'on topic' conversation about what to eat on fridays during lent without your judgment please? If you wish to further your discussion on your interpretation of the Catholic religion, please create another thread, and interested members will post there. Thanks!

 

I'll ask other people to please refrain on continuing this off-topic debate in this thread. I will do the same.

[Scooby2.5]

Our temper tantrum? You're a real piece of work! I wouldnt exactly say you 'forbear'ed' anything.

 

Can we have an 'on topic' conversation about what to eat on fridays during lent without your judgment please? If you wish to further your discussion on your interpretation of the Catholic religion, please create another thread, and interested members will post there. Thanks!

 

I'll ask other people to please refrain on continuing this off-topic debate in this thread. I will do the same.

 

Your (meaning the owner of the Avatar) Temper Tantrum ( meaning the avatar of a man beating up a inanimate object)

 

Context context context!

[Meltdown07]

 

Can we have an 'on topic' conversation about what to eat on fridays during lent without your judgment please? If you wish to further your discussion on your interpretation of the Catholic religion, please create another thread, and interested members will post there. Thanks!

 

I'll ask other people to please refrain on continuing this off-topic debate in this thread. I will do the same.

[Scooby2.5]

Sure

 

On Topic

 

What else are you supposed to do during Lent besides not eating meat on Fridays?

[BDII]

:biblethumper:

[Meltdown07]

Sure

 

On Topic

 

What else are you supposed to do during Lent besides not eating meat on Fridays?

 

The discussion is about suggestions for what are good things to eat during lent for practicing catholics that cannot eat meat on Fridays. The discussion is not about what you are supposed to do or not supposed to do during lent.

 

Do you have any unique suggestions? I'm sure several people haven't figured out dinner plans for tonight.

[Scooby2.5]

:biblethumper:

 

Nope, Christian ( You know, that derogatory term that was used in the early first century for those of the Hebrew (Jewish) faith that choose to follow Messiah's ways)

[Meltdown07]

Nope, Christian ( You know, that derogatory term that was used in the early first century for those of the Hebrew (Jewish) faith that choose to follow Messiah's ways)

 

Can you please stay on topic, and/or stop trolling?

[Guest heightsgtltd]

Jesus Cristo!

[Scooby2.5]

"Can you please stay on topic, and/or stop trolling?"

 

Ok OK but....

 

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

[Scooby2.5]

Jesus Cristo!

 

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