praedet Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Did you even read what I put? Or did you IGNORE it since it NEGATES every GOOD point you said about the swap Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted March 1, 2007 Author Share Posted March 1, 2007 ^^^ Have you done a EMD swap, have you actually got prices on EDM setup? Your just making assumptions correct? Also, the points you bring up don't even negate all the positives of this type swap. It's an OEM piece built for the car and not a aftermarket hack job. If you want to make thread about how it's such a bad idea to do a EDM HID swap go ahead. Otherwise, let's keep this thread on track and see what kind of information we can get about getting an EDM setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 None of my points are guesses, they are facts based on my experience, the experience of folks in Europe, or Federal regulations... Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_getter Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 As I said nothing special with subaru HID. look at the HID projector in 07 STI !! You can retrofit the best hid projector in your car for less than $500. For example: RX330 projector + clear lenses swap (E30, S2k or zx lenses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 As I said nothing special with subaru HID. look at the HID projector in 07 STI !! You can retrofit the best hid projector in your car for less than $500. For example: RX330 projector + clear lenses swap (E30, S2k or zx lenses) on the subject of headlight projector retrofits from other cars like the TSX in place of the stock projector assemblies in the LGT, why do ppl go thru the trouble? are the stock subaru projector assemblies that bad? do they have such an awful beam pattern that ppl need to extensively modify their headlamps with projectors from another car? i've retrofitting an aftermarket HID kit into my stock projectors and to my inexperienced eyes, they lookg pretty good and illuminate the road well. maybe other ppl are more picky or suffer from night blindness problems, im not sure. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_getter Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I mean it's worthless to pay alot of money for OEM legacy HID headlight, just go for retrofit, it's cheaper . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Thanks but that doesnt answer my question why some ppl on these forums do go thru the trouble of doing an extensive hack n slash mod installing projector assmeblies. I saw the photo thread of someone doing it with the TSX projectors, and it just seemed like kind of a waste of good OEM projector housings. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Look for VXCL's post that has Different HID retrofits vs/ the stock projectors. That shouws a very good comparison on why to retrofit... Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted March 1, 2007 Author Share Posted March 1, 2007 None of my points are guesses, they are facts based on my experience, the experience of folks in Europe, or Federal regulations... Ted So what is the true price of an EDM setup new or used and where did you get your information from? Where are there comparisons of an EDM legacy HID setup to USDM halogen or other retrofits? C'mon I need the facts:lol: BTW - This is not a thread on retro fitting. Some people don't want to take the time or effort to do this type of mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 EDM Headlights w/ no electronics were $1000 a set w/o shipping from Cheam, a dealer on the board. Electronics (Ballast, harnest, ignitor were on the order of another $500... I will look for the comparison pic of a 06 STi HID (Same HID projector as the EDM Legacy) vs. a retro-fitted S2K HID set-up into the same headlight. It might take a little while. The difference is startling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 why some ppl on these forums do go thru the trouble of doing an extensive hack n slash mod installing projector assmeblies. I saw the photo thread of someone doing it with the TSX projectors, and it just seemed like kind of a waste of good OEM projector housings. Ed i dont know who you are talking about, but i'd give $100 to any randomly picked person off the street if they could tell any of my retros were not oem. and $1,000 to any member who didnt know i had a retro actually figured it out. NO ONE gives them a second look and they are SUPERIOR in everyway. projector comparison http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54240 tsx i just did http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54061 my e39 http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14544 not talking about my retros as i could bolt the oem h7 unit back in at any time, but technically you could make a mess behind the bezel and no one would ever know. huge plus to first time retro'rs. 9006 retros now thats a different story. very hard to make it look oem, but it can be done my cl with m3 bixenons http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vxcl/cl.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vxcl/headlampclose.jpg Is this based on one bad retro you've seen? that's nuts. why pay $300-400 for a kit, or better buy jdm or edm lamps at a ridiculous price instead when superior parts are easy to be had for less? every point in this thread against A PROPER retro is 100% incorrect. if you have $$$ for jdm or edm go for it, but def not the best option, unless you really want wipers or level adj, then ok you have no choice, but for most those options are not worth the $$$$. and dont forget you still need to open the lamps to fix your lhd cutoff problem. and lets not even get into a front end collosion. have fun resourcing parts and taking the hit in the pocket, when you could just reinstall your retro parts in the new lamps insurance covers, becuase 9 times out of 10 the optics and electronics never get damaged in a crash. how do i know? i've been selling and installing oem xenon parts from crashed vehicles since 2000 and never a single problem. a full xenon retro is one of the few mods you can do to your car that's an investment. i could sell my setup today or even 2 years from now at $600 and make 600% profit easy. its more like 200-300% for most people, but i'm special. i still cannot understand why your basing your opinion on a bad retro peace MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 C'mon I need the facts:lol: Some people don't want to take the time or effort to do this type of mod. someone gets it. MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Power Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Just for my knowledge, why retrofit? Are the ones that the vendors on here sell for like $200 not as good? New to this stuff, trying to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 you anti retro attitude is based on one bad retro you've seen? that's nuts. let me pay $300-400 for a kit. no wait, let me buy jdm or edm lamps at a ridiculous price instead when superior parts are easy to be had for less. now that's nuts!! peace Im confused, are you talking to me? I didn't say i had an anti-retro attitude, i was asking why OTHER ppl would bother doing that. I am perfectly happy with my aftermarket HID kit installed in my OEM projectors. Who exactly are you addressing? Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Im confused, are you talking to me? I didn't say i had an anti-retro attitude, i was asking why OTHER ppl would bother doing that. I am perfectly happy with my aftermarket HID kit installed in my OEM projectors. Who exactly are you addressing? Ed yes it was you, but i missed the post where you state you are happy with a kit, so why retro? without it i took your other post out of context. sorry i was wrong. also know that the kit itslef and the kelvin rating of the bulbs are really going to determine how unhappy or happy you are with your kit. so this will vary among members. i have always said a properly focused kit in our h7 has a great result. a true retro would be better, but not worth the hassle to most, and is prob out of thier comfort zone. this doesnt change the fact that much better oem xenon setups are available for less then a kit if you like DIY work, with a superior end result. a fair comparison of kits and retros is in my guide peace MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_getter Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 EDM Headlights w/ no electronics were $1000 a set w/o shipping from Cheam, a dealer on the board. Electronics (Ballast, harnest, ignitor were on the order of another $500... I will look for the comparison pic of a 06 STi HID (Same HID projector as the EDM Legacy) vs. a retro-fitted S2K HID set-up into the same headlight. It might take a little while. The difference is startling Thanks to (LightWerkz) on NASIOC. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1153111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 EDM Headlights w/ no electronics were $1000 a set w/o shipping from Cheam, a dealer on the board. Electronics (Ballast, harnest, ignitor were on the order of another $500... Thank you for the information. That doesn't seem like a bad price for an oem setup. However, if a full EDM HID setup is $1500 and your really worried about cost..... You can sell you stock halogens to recoup big chunk of the money you used to purchase the HID's! Although, a better idea might be to keep them in case you get into an accident or if you get in trouble with the law. Easy swap back to stock if you get into law trouble. Not so easy with a retrofit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Thanks to (LightWerkz) on NASIOC. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1153111 Interesting the 05 is different then the 06 STI. Also, aren't the STI lights only HID low beams with halogen highs? The EDM 08's are bi-xenon lamps. Seeing that there was a change from 05 to 06 and that the EDM are bi-xenon's..... Maybe Subaru made more changes that you guys aren't aware of yet...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_luv Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Well since your getting rid of it would you be willing to sale the salvaged Retro componets and tails? 1St dibs if they arent already spoken for... Since it's going to cost alot (subaru parts are too expensive here) and the insurance will cover the damage, I got the cash instead of repairing the car. I'll miss my 3.0R ... Mr.350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_getter Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 mr_luv ... I'm sorry man, I traded my tails with my friend last week. After that the insurance took my car. Some pics for my car : http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/1-2.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/2-2.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/3-1.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/4-1.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/6.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/5.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/7.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/8.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/9.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/10.jpg ... Oh man I think I need to remove these pics from My PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 So I guess no one knows the difference between the new EDM BI-Xenons and the STI 05,06,07 lamps(know the 05 & 06 are different but not sure if the 07 is different from the 06) low HID and high halogens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_getter Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Any member from UK or Germany maybe can answer you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 mr_luv ... I'm sorry man, I traded my tails with my friend last week. After that the insurance took my car. Some pics for my car : http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/3-1.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/4-1.jpg ... Oh man I think I need to remove these pics from My PC were did you get the turn signal LED kit from, how much was it? Thanks for the info Click Here everyday:redface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Gotta love the extra foreground illumination that comes at the possible expensive of distance visibility. Why do we turn the lights off in the car at night and dim out dashboards? To reduce the amount of near light so we can see further. Thats not really the same thing, in my experience illuminating the near road doesnt really affect the distance illumination and viewing like having a bright light inside the car cabin does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power_getter Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 were did you get the turn signal LED kit from, how much was it? Thanks for the info http://customdynamics.com/flex_led_array.htm http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/power_getter/signal.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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