Deer Killer Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 According to the service manual if you re-connect the diag connector by the fuse box under the dash, then press the trip knob during the guage sweep it will tell you if/what codes are present! Excellent. Anyone think they have codes thrown? Wanna try it out? I should probably do it, the stuttering might throw codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Stuttering - what stuttering. Do you mean Clutch shudder? If so this is different to a buzz in the clutch pedal. Is anyone experiencing clutch shudder? I am confused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 shane, look for the thread that talks about slight stuttering some people have experienced at low-mid RPMs when the clutch is fully engaged. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Thanks mate - I found it. The correct term for this symptom is hesitation under load I believe - stuttering is a symptom some people have with their speech and nothing to with cars. Some people are funny. Gt's only and nothing to do with clutches either, my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 This could really come in handy. Nice tip, thanks DK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 [quote]Main Entry: stut·ter Pronunciation: 'st&-t&r Function: verb Etymology: frequentative of English dialect stut to stutter, from Middle English stutten; akin to Dutch stotteren to stutter, Gothic stautan to strike -- more at CONTUSION intransitive senses 1 : to speak with involuntary disruption or blocking of speech (as by spasmodic repetition or prolongation of vocal sounds) [b]2 : to move or act in a halting or spasmodic manner <the old jalopy bucks and stutters uphill -- William Cleary>[/b] [/quote] The word stutter describes the problem pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanoswrx Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Thats awesome, I didn't think subaru would do something like that. don't think I have any codes though so its kind of pointless right now, but still cool to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devobuzz Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 What do you mean by "re-connect the diag. connector"? There is nothing plugged into it. Where will the codes be displayed? Do you count the flashes of the CEL to obtain the code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 14, 2004 Author Share Posted September 14, 2004 [quote name='devobuzz']What do you mean by "re-connect the diag. connector"? There is nothing plugged into it. Where will the codes be displayed? Do you count the flashes of the CEL to obtain the code?[/quote] There's a male and female connector under the dash that aren't hooked up. On the odometer, looks like. It seems to me the actual number comes up, but it's hard to tell without doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemani Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I <3 service manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 YEAH!!!! This makes me HAPPY! :D :D :D I have been seriously preturbed that my wife's miata throws codes every great once in a while, and I don't have the cash to get a reader at the moment. This doesn't solve my miata problem, but it does help restore my faith that car companies don't think their customers are all complete morons. Kudos to Subaru. Would love to know more from anyone who tries it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 My local AutoZone would always read codes for free for me. Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 nah, around here, they wanted a 250$ deposit, and then it cost like 10$ rental fee, or something. Every time i get ready to do that, the Miata can tell, and starts behaving again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeydriver Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 My jeep had a similar setup. All you had to do was turn the ignition on and off three times and then any P codes would be displayed in the odometer window. Very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeFlyIsTheEye Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Although I have a rampant dislike for anything Chrysler (intensified after the Daimler merger), I always admired the fact that one could determine the engine fault codes on their cars by using a special key sequence. Subaru is 1337 for including this! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAP Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Even the 1991 Legacy had this. It was an obnoxiously long & complicated sequence with the automatic transmisison shifter if I recall, and then you had to count long & short flashes from the check engine light, but you could get at the info. It would help even more if they published what the numbers mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 pre 96 was obd1 with counting flashes. obd2 has no more flashes. u get a 4 diget code with usualy a letter before the 4 numbers ie p0303 (misfire on cylinder 3 for ford) or p0402 (dpfe flow excessive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSix Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 [quote name='Deer Killer']According to the service manual if you re-connect the diag connector by the fuse box under the dash, then press the trip knob during the guage sweep it will tell you if/what codes are present![/quote] So, my CEL is currently lit up ( [url]http://www.legacygt.com/viewtopic.php?t=3155[/url] ), and I cannot find the diag connector under the dash by the fuse box. Do I have to remove the black plate to find it? I hooked up the test connecter on the passenger side and tried it, but no luck. I did get a couple options on the trip odometer, though: S (toggle on and off) and I (toggle on and off). Does anyone know what those are? Please help...Thanx! GoSix Give a man a beer, and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 19, 2004 Author Share Posted September 19, 2004 [quote name='GoSix'][quote name='Deer Killer']According to the service manual if you re-connect the diag connector by the fuse box under the dash, then press the trip knob during the guage sweep it will tell you if/what codes are present![/quote] So, my CEL is currently lit up ( [url]http://www.legacygt.com/viewtopic.php?t=3155[/url] ), and I cannot find the diag connector under the dash by the fuse box. Do I have to remove the black plate to find it? I hooked up the test connecter on the passenger side and tried it, but no luck. I did get a couple options on the trip odometer, though: S (toggle on and off) and I (toggle on and off). Does anyone know what those are? Please help...Thanx! GoSix[/quote] The drawing seems to show it on the left hand side of the fuses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSix Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Alright, found them. They were taped up, hidden above the fuses and all the black cable. Found a green one and a white one. The white is the one that gives the codes. I got "P0852". Now...what does that mean??? :) Give a man a beer, and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 19, 2004 Author Share Posted September 19, 2004 [quote name='GoSix']Alright, found them. They were taped up, hidden above the fuses and all the black cable. Found a green one and a white one. The white is the one that gives the codes. I got "P0852". Now...what does that mean??? :)[/quote] "Neutral Switch Input Circuit High" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSix Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 [quote name='Deer Killer']"Neutral Switch Input Circuit High"[/quote] Hmm....I'm bringing my car into the dealership in a couple weeks to get a clear bra (with the 500 scooby bucks). Would I be able to wait until then, or would this be a more urgent issue? Give a man a beer, and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 19, 2004 Author Share Posted September 19, 2004 [quote name='GoSix'][quote name='Deer Killer']"Neutral Switch Input Circuit High"[/quote] Hmm....I'm bringing my car into the dealership in a couple weeks to get a clear bra (with the 500 scooby bucks). Would I be able to wait until then, or would this be a more urgent issue?[/quote] I have no idea what that means.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerpunch Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 It's possible this is referring to the neutral safety switch that prevents the starter from operating unless the car is in neutral or park or has the clutch pressed in. Perhaps this switch is not operating properly on your car, meaning perhaps your car WILL start with the transmission in gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSix Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 [quote name='centerpunch']It's possible this is referring to the neutral safety switch that prevents the starter from operating unless the car is in neutral or park or has the clutch pressed in. Perhaps this switch is not operating properly on your car, meaning perhaps your car WILL start with the transmission in gear.[/quote] I should try that...starting without the clutch (out of gear still). I called the dealership and they are ordering me a new neutral safety switch. They said that older Subarus also had problems with it (mine is new, though). They are going to make a couple calls and get back to me on whether or not I need to bring the car in right away. They think it's no big deal though. It was pretty cool that the dealership was happy that I could give them the error code without me having to bring in the car. Geez that sentence was written poorly. Blah, live with it! :) Give a man a beer, and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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