X2Board Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I am due to trade my stage 2 STI today for a Limited GT Wagon, but after driving the STI all weekend I'm having second thoughts.... For those of you that have taken your wagons to stage 2 and beyond, plus/or suspension mods to tighten up the handling, how would you compare the feel of your car to a stock STI? (assuming you have driven one) As I see it: Pros: Interior Room Comfortable heated seats for long distance driving Cargo Capacity Huge Sunroof Basically the same engine as the STI Ability to fly below the visual radar of most police officers Cons: Handling - $ fixable 5MT - is the STI's tranny a bolt in? Less base HP/torque - $ fixable No DCCD - not fixable- Feel free to add to either list and give me you feedback. I have 6 hours to make up my mind. Thanks, Marlon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Sounds like you would be in the market for an 07 Spec B wagon. But I don't think it will exist. Sedan only, more likely. The 07 Spec B is getting th 6MT that is closely related, possibly the same as the STI, with the bilstein suspension... See the Subaru News and Rumors forum... But this is all information that will not help you much today... And right now, unless you've found an '05, you can't even get a manual transmission AT ALL with the Legacy GT wagon. But Since you are ready to go now, I'd say it is ultimately up to you. In your info it shows that you already have a 5MT wagon, as well as the STI... Are you thinking of getting another wagon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggert Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 i haven't driven an sti, but can't imagine needing the close ratio gearbox from it on the legacy for everyday driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 http://www.torquecentral.com/images/smilies/search.gif Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagcars26 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 After owning an STi and now my stg 2 GT wagon,,your comparing different animals.If you like the STi stick with it its a ballsy car,if you want more refinement and an automatic go with the GT. Like Rob said do a search,,lotsa stuff there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 http://www.torquecentral.com/images/smilies/search.gif Im reporting this post Moved to pre-purchase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Welcome to the site. Yes the STI 6MT would bolt in but why would you want to add it? The 5MT in the GT is perfectly setup for the car and unless you like rowing the stick (which is not a bad thing), the STI 6MT would not add anything to the LGT except possibly a few more mph on the top end. You'd also have to deal with either neutering the DCCD or cracking the case and replacing the center diff with the LGT LSCD as adding the electronics to support the DCCD would be a PITA imho. There are many wagons on here that are at or above the STIs stock power levels and as others have indicated, search is your friend. And, it seems you're looking at a 5MT 2005 LGT Wagon. Are you buying new or used? SBT - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fzanetti Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I also thought about buying an STi, coming from a modded S4, I really wanted something fast, but yet bearable on Boston roads (which are very crappy), and plus from a Legacy standpoint, after some minor suspension and power mods/pro-tune, you can get very close to an STi Stage II performance putting 300+ AWHP!!!! Good luck with your comparison!!! Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2Board Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 In your info it shows that you already have a 5MT wagon, as well as the STI... Are you thinking of getting another wagon? Yes, I already have a 5MT wagon and found a great deal on another. I've been searching and reading everything on here and I'm going to go for it. Thanks for all the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2Board Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Welcome to the site. Yes the STI 6MT would bolt in but why would you want to add it? The 5MT in the GT is perfectly setup for the car and unless you like rowing the stick (which is not a bad thing), the STI 6MT would not add anything to the LGT except possibly a few more mph on the top end. You'd also have to deal with either neutering the DCCD or cracking the case and replacing the center diff with the LGT LSCD as adding the electronics to support the DCCD would be a PITA imho. There are many wagons on here that are at or above the STIs stock power levels and as others have indicated, search is your friend. And, it seems you're looking at a 5MT 2005 LGT Wagon. Are you buying new or used? SBT I'm buying new, I asked about the 6MT because when cruising at 80 it just seems like the engine could be a bit more relaxed, I'll get used to it over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 With the LGT, I feel that part of the good thing in having the 5MT was that not only do we hit that magical 60 mph. with one less gear to row ( may be different in a STi/STI that has had its limiter bumped-up by aftermarket EM...sorry, but I'm ignorant on this bit of info! ) - and that the second good bit is that, especially at typical "Stage II" power levels/tune, the engine is flexible enough to give you good highway passing performance, even in 5th-gear. Certainly, you're seeing a good healthy bit of revs, crusing at that speed - and that can grate on one's nerves a bit until they're more accustomed to it - but it's right in our powerband, and quite nice to have "right there" when needed. Power-wise, you'll definitely need to spend more than the average to get your LGT up to the performance level of your "Stage II" STi. For-reference, typical ProTUNE'ed or ECUTek'ed (or other *custom*-mapped aftermarket EM) "Stage II" (i.e. UP and minimum shorty DP combo, plus aforementioned custom EM reflash or piggy-back) for LGTs will net you just above *_stock_* STi/STI power levels (there have been many dyno plots/graphs that show this). However, still, the performance you seek should be attainable with a switch-out to a larger snail, and still attainable without breaking the bank. It'll just take a bit more dough than us "Stage II LGT" guys have put out, that's all. As for suspension and handling, I'll defer this to our other LGT brothers and sisters. I don't feel that I have enough experience in this respect in order to properly help you...but nonetheless, please know that many here have gotten their LGTs to handle exceedingly well, much to belie the vehicle's 3K+ lbs. curb-weight. Best of luck! -A <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Swapping in the STi transmission requires custom made axles. On the Legacy 5th gear ratio is .738 and the final drive ratio is 4.111 On the STI 6th gear ratio is .756 and the final drive ratio is 3.900 The difference in geraing is 3%, which is not enough to even notice, let alone to spend the thousands to do the swap. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 but, but, but! You can get a cool 6sp knob now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 but, but, but! You can get a cool 6sp knob now!! I would just put the 6 speed knob on the 5 speed lever Besides Subarus aren't "cool" Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagcars26 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Swapping in the STi transmission requires custom made axles. On the Legacy 5th gear ratio is .738 and the final drive ratio is 4.111 On the STI 6th gear ratio is .756 and the final drive ratio is 3.900 The difference in geraing is 3%, which is not enough to even notice, let alone to spend the thousands to do the swap. I agree but,,,the sixspeed will handle a good bit more hp and abuse before it goes bang. and to appreciate the STi sixspeed you really have to drive it fr awhile,,the combination of all that torque plus the gearing make it a pleasure to drive for almost anyone. IMHO With that said, doing the sixspeed swap is very impractical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I agree but,,,the sixspeed will handle a good bit more hp and abuse before it goes bang. and to appreciate the STi sixspeed you really have to drive it fr awhile,,the combination of all that torque plus the gearing make it a pleasure to drive for almost anyone. IMHO With that said, doing the sixspeed swap is very impractical. I have driven STis extensively and their tranny is no big deal, unless you like to shift all of the time. I'd love to hear about any Legacy, Foreser XT or new 06 Impreza that had tranny problems due to high power (not bending shifter forks). Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I have driven STis extensively and their tranny is no big deal, unless you like to shift all of the time. I'd love to hear about any Legacy, Foreser XT or new 06 Impreza that had tranny problems due to high power (not bending shifter forks). How do you bend shifter forks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Got me, but a number of people with Legacy's have bent shifter forks. My guess is by forcing a shift, but who knows. That is not a problem related to MAd PoWEr though. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2Board Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 I will definitely miss my Brembo's, but that's what the aftermarket is for. T- 3:00 and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I will definitely miss my Brembo's, but that's what the aftermarket is for. T- 3:00 and counting. Don't miss them too long....they are but a two hour install away: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/PatagonianGT/brembos.jpg IBRaosaystheywon'tstopyouanybetter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 They won't stop you any better Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaktheRipper Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 they don't have better stopping power?....but atleast they're pertty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagcars26 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I have driven STis extensively and their tranny is no big deal, unless you like to shift all of the time. I'd love to hear about any Legacy, Foreser XT or new 06 Impreza that had tranny problems due to high power (not bending shifter forks). I disagree,,I owned one and have driven many sticks in the past to compare it to.It's a proven fact that the STi tranny will take a hell of alot more abuse(not just hp and launching) then previous Subaru trannies,,open one up and youl see.And yea Subaru has recently made the 5 speeds stronger then the glass 5 speeds of previous years. Your argument of shifting alot doesnt work fr me either,,with the torque and hp you will actually shift less at low to moderate speeds,you can lug the STi to death in 2nd ,3rd or 4th gear.Up top from about 90 mph on up or at the track you may have one more shift:icon_twis We can agree to disagree but the STi sixspeed compared to my previous WRX 5 speed was like night and day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 We can agree to disagree but the STi sixspeed compared to my previous WRX 5 speed was like night and day. The fact that all of the internal components of the STI 6MT are pressure lubricated by a shaft driven pump, speaks volumes about its engineered ability to withstand high torque loads compared to the previous gen WRX 5MT tranny. Again, we agree to disagree on the shifting aspect. I'l shift 2 times on my way to 60 mph in the LGT. The STI will shift three times. Just the nature of the gearing. From there on up it's a function of both gearing and power but at the top of the heap, the STI will still have a lower final gearing than the LGT and therefore more topend before the LGTs stock redline. 2.95 STI and 3.04 LGT. SBT - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I disagree,,I owned one and have driven many sticks in the past to compare it to.It's a proven fact that the STi tranny will take a hell of alot more abuse(not just hp and launching) then previous Subaru trannies,,open one up and youl see.And yea Subaru has recently made the 5 speeds stronger then the glass 5 speeds of previous years. Your argument of shifting alot doesnt work fr me either,,with the torque and hp you will actually shift less at low to moderate speeds,you can lug the STi to death in 2nd ,3rd or 4th gear.Up top from about 90 mph on up or at the track you may have one more shift:icon_twis We can agree to disagree but the STi sixspeed compared to my previous WRX 5 speed was like night and day. We definately disagree and comparing the 05 and earlier WRX transmission to the Legacy GT transmission is comparing apples and oranges. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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