Ares3985 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 STOCK BLOCKS ONLY how much power are you making on your stock block? What are your mods? Turbo specifically 5MT or 5EAT How long have you been running it? What type of dyno did you tune on? Looking to find people who are making decent power on their stock block with some sort of reliability. I want to bump up to 400 but have my concerns I’ll start 306/375 FBO VF52 1050x injectors 340lph pump 5EAT Tuned on mustang dyno Running it for 500 miles. Don’t really drive the car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 use a different dyno. you'll get bigger numbers. dynojet will make you happy. Otherwise I dont understand the question. You could tune a 1000hp on a stock shortblock. It probably won't run very long, but it's been done. Anyone who's interested in decent reliability isn't running 400hp on their stock block. Also, 306/375? Dyno chart? boost level? Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 use a different dyno. you'll get bigger numbers. dynojet will make you happy. Otherwise I dont understand the question. You could tune a 1000hp on a stock shortblock. It probably won't run very long, but it's been done. Anyone who's interested in decent reliability isn't running 400hp on their stock block. Also, 306/375? Dyno chart? boost level? Which is why I asked if anyone was running that with any sort of reliability. 20 psi. He never gave me my chart. I was last of the day and I emailed them and they didn’t respond. Kind of gave up after that. I should probably call them to get it tho Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 He never gave me my chart. I was last of the day and I emailed them and they didn’t respond. Kind of gave up after that. I should probably call them to get it tho Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You got tuned or just dyno run? Either way, I'd ask for your money back. A dyno run without a printout, isn't really a run. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 You got tuned or just dyno run? Either way, I'd ask for your money back. A dyno run without a printout, isn't really a run. It was tuned. Why would a piece of paper or a lack thereof make me want to ask for my money back? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 It was tuned. Why would a piece of paper or a lack thereof make me want to ask for my money back? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Idk, you seem like you had a less than stellar experience. no dyno run prinout, no response from tuner, you want to make more horsepower than you have, etc. did you tell them up front you wanted 400hp? Any decent tuner, given a set of parameters, can tune your car to match or help you assemble the parts to reach your goal. If you just wanted a dyno queen, why didn't you get a bigger turbo? Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Idk, you seem like you had a less than stellar experience. no dyno run prinout, no response from tuner, you want to make more horsepower than you have, etc. did you tell them up front you wanted 400hp? Any decent tuner, given a set of parameters, can tune your car to match or help you assemble the parts to reach your goal. If you just wanted a dyno queen, why didn't you get a bigger turbo? No I didn’t tell them I wanted 400. After a little of driving tho u want some more. That’s all it is. They were actually awesome aside of the no dyno printout. If I called them I’m sure I could get it. Assuming they keep it on file which I think they do. I just never did. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttnio Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 the printout will state the facts that it was put on the dyno. a matter of my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleides Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 On a DynoJet, I'm making 271 WHP and 320 TQ. I've got a VF46, stock fueling and 07 LGT clutch assembly, and a few light power mods like a turbo inlet and TGV deletes. 213K on the stock block and it's starting to go for reasons unrelated to being run over factory power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 the race wagon under its previous owners only used stock blocks. I believe the highest number was close to 400hp. I got it when the engine failed with 90 minutes of track time. If you are using an automatic and the tune is not optimized to match it, you'll be down on power. If you like having all your power at the upper end of the rpm scale, you won't have much power in the range you typically drive in. Getting re-tuned to power where you can actually use it might save you money. My wagon is 310/335 tuned on a mustang. Its makes that from 4000-7000rpm and I drive in 3rd or 4th gear, so Im always at max power. I have an overbuilt block because I did alot of track days. On the street, it's more than enough. Before spending a bunch of money, put on lightweight 17x8 wheels running a nice summer tire. Michelin Supersports has been my favorite for years. You might find you don't need more power, just less unsprung weight. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 ^x2 280/300 on a mustang back in Aug 2011 vf52 stock fueling 162,000 miles on the vf52 150,000 miles on the ej257 The car is so much fun to drive and reliable too. It's really not about the HP its about how the car drives on the street. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 290/330 @ 20psi on EFI's dyno tuned by Calvin. 05 OBXT 5EAT with 19 sti EJ257 with rebuilt heads and 25k on the tune since new engine. Car is a blast to drive! JMB 16g turbo with billet wheel ID1000 TBE TGV deletes Big TMIC KS Tech 73MM CAI Perrin Turbo inlet Grimspeed EBCS Transgo JR shift kit Aux thermostat controlled transmission cooler ARP headstuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shralp Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 296HP / 318TQ on a VF52 w/ DW 740CC \Walbro 255 pump. 5MT. Protuned on a Mustang (heartbreaker) at Cobb Surgeline. Ran this set up for numerous years as a daily driver and as well as track car during the summer months. Finally cracked a ring land and replaced with a forged motor / JMP Custom 16G / 1050cc / DW65c pump. Confident I Would not have blown the motor if not for many many days of track abuse. It was my time on the merry go round, especially not running a proper AOS. After a lotta years with this platform, my opinion is 350HP is the most you should go on a stock block (and that only with a good tune) and absolute strict maintenance. Anything over that and you’re on borrowed time. Also depends on how you drive. You could tootle around in a 450HP monster for years if your just babying it but if your actually pushing the car as intended on a regular basis, 350 to the wheels would be my max... Edited June 26, 2020 by shralp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWaters Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 06 LGT wagon 5eat 285/317 Dynojet tuned @ Precision Tuning 20psi BNR 16g evo 3 1050x top feed conversion TGV delete AEM 340 pump Aeromotive FPR w/ Parallel fueling G/S TMIC IAG AOS (Comp) Stock intake to turbo except AEM panel filter Stock bpv 2018 ej257 Heads rebuilt w/shimmed springs (Headgames) ARP studs Transgo vb kit Fluidamper The tuner explained that it’s making that power easily and safely so I can enjoy the car without concern of blowing it up. I definitely enjoy the car! The way I understand it the amount of loss through the subaru automatic drivetrain can be as much as 30%+. That said an automatic car making 300whp could be making ~430bhp. So for the sake of longevity 300whp might be the right place for stock internals on an auto LGT. Reason for the printout is so you can analyze the power curve. Ideally you’d want smooth power delivery right up to redline not a spike of power then drop off (dyno queen). Don’t forget with the hot weather we have right now here in NJ your butt dyno might be reading a little low on power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 06 LGT wagon 5eat 285/317 Dynojet tuned @ Precision Tuning 20psi BNR 16g evo 3 1050x top feed conversion TGV delete AEM 340 pump Aeromotive FPR w/ Parallel fueling G/S TMIC IAG AOS (Comp) Stock intake to turbo except AEM panel filter Stock bpv 2018 ej257 Heads rebuilt w/shimmed springs (Headgames) ARP studs Transgo vb kit Fluidamper The tuner explained that it’s making that power easily and safely so I can enjoy the car without concern of blowing it up. I definitely enjoy the car! The way I understand it the amount of loss through the subaru automatic drivetrain can be as much as 30%+. That said an automatic car making 300whp could be making ~430bhp. So for the sake of longevity 300whp might be the right place for stock internals on an auto LGT. Reason for the printout is so you can analyze the power curve. Ideally you’d want smooth power delivery right up to redline not a spike of power then drop off (dyno queen). Don’t forget with the hot weather we have right now here in NJ your butt dyno might be reading a little low on power. Yeah I’m working on getting it. I was supposed to have it by end of day yesterday. Never arrived. I know they are crazy busy at the place I go so I’ll try again today Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Finally got my graph. So apparently the power they told me wasn’t exactly right on. Idk why they told me different but it didn’t make 306/375. It made 300/364. Which isn’t really that far off but not sure why they told me different Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) He may have backed it off a bit to be safe. Either way, I'm sure most of us would be more then happy with what you got. Now, is the car fun to drive ? reliable ? If yes, be happy and move on. I would suggest you send a oil sample off the Blackstone Labs and see how things are doing. Pick a good oil and filter, do the proper maintenance keep an eye on oil usage. Edited June 27, 2020 by Max Capacity 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 He may have backed it off a bit to be safe. Either way, I'm sure most of us would be more then happy with what you got. Now, is the car fun to drive ? reliable ? If yes, be happy and move on. I would suggest you send a oil sample off the Blackstone Labs and see how things are doing. Pick a good oil and filter, do the proper maintenance keep an eye on oil usage. You’re right prob should just leave it where it is. More power would be fun but idk if it’s worth risking it. It actually runs great. Fun to drive. 0 knock. No issues it all. Doesn’t consume oil. Although I prob wouldn’t notice oil consumption cause I only drive it once and a while anyway. I actually did a sample about 1500 miles ago. That was when I only had Cobb stage 2 but everything was perfect. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Good, remember what I've learned about these cars. They like to be driven for long distance. My Spec only gets driven a few times a month, but when it does it for at least 10 miles highway one way to Saturday night dinner. You need to get the oil hot enough to boil the moisture out of it. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Good, remember what I've learned about these cars. They like to be driven for long distance. My Spec only gets driven a few times a month, but when it does it for at least 10 miles highway one way to Saturday night dinner. You need to get the oil hot enough to boil the moisture out of it. Yeah I’m the same way. I have a nice cruise route I go on. It’s prob like 15 miles each way Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttnio Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 good curve on the test report i wish mine was close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWaters Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 From the looks of that torque curve you may be able to feel the torque rolling off after that peak. Looks like it hits really hard but then rolls off somewhat sharply. As it comes down its still in a very respectable range but your butt dyno may feel that and you may perceive it as not pulling as hard as you expect it to. Do you feel like it pulls hard all the way from stomp to redline or do you feel like there’s a kind of plateau in the power? What I’m getting at is you may not need more power but an adjustment to the way it’s delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 From the looks of that torque curve you may be able to feel the torque rolling off after that peak. Looks like it hits really hard but then rolls off somewhat sharply. As it comes down its still in a very respectable range but your butt dyno may feel that and you may perceive it as not pulling as hard as you expect it to. Do you feel like it pulls hard all the way from stomp to redline or do you feel like there’s a kind of plateau in the power? What I’m getting at is you may not need more power but an adjustment to the way it’s delivered. You can feel the difference but you def still feel it pulling. It’s not too bad to redline. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWaters Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Thats good. I figured it can’t be that bad because you’re still making good torque. I just figure that sudden bump might the feel off a bit. Bet that pull to the torque peak feels wicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares3985 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Thats good. I figured it can’t be that bad because you’re still making good torque. I just figure that sudden bump might the feel off a bit. Bet that pull to the torque peak feels wicked. Oh it does. Throws you back. Makes the car feel faster than it really is lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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