boxkita Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 sorry forum nerd gods! That was highlarious! My fellow cube dwellers were prairie-dogging to find out what I was laughing about. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gex Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Mine at 107k. Looks worse then it was. That is 43kish on Rotella T6 unknown on the other 64k miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 ^ Did you have some sustained high-heat events? - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gex Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I did a few track days and some high speed high jinx. I don't think it saw the abuse Boxkitas motor did. After looking it over maybe I'll add that Mishimoto remote oil cooler to my to do list. Compression was great at 140+ all cylinders with less then 3 psi difference and leakdown was fine all under 2-3% if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 $345 + $55 (for thermostat) - mishimoto universal oil cooler - http://www.mishimoto.com/mishimoto-universal-oil-cooler-kit.html#techspecs perrin dyno testing with/without a cooler - http://blog.perrinperformance.com/perrin-brzfr-s-oil-cooler/ avo turboworld cooler - http://www.subispeed.com/2013-subaru-brz/cooling/oil-coolers/avo-turboworld-oil-cooler-kit-2013-ft86#.VOu8Vi5Bb6M Greddy - http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Greddy-Oil-Cooler-Kit-13-Row-Subaru-WRX-STI-2002-2007 Looking at prices, I'm wondering if a GB might be doable. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 ^ Did you have some sustained high-heat events? Makes me wonder if Sgt.Gator has any pics of his valve covers? Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The links above, with the exception of the GReddy one, are for the BRZ which doesn't come with an oil cooler. Our LGTs do come with the coolant-cooled cooler, but under sustained track heat loading they really don't do well without a bump-up in coolant cooling capacity, which is not in abundance where our stock radiators are concerned. Also, given the stock cooler's near-direct connectivity to the block, the OC likely stays much warmer than it would if it were augmented by an out-in-the-windstream cooler. The only downside is that it's out in the windstream where it's vulnerable to road debris and flying objects, and the extra work that the oil pump has to do to move the oil. Better solution, IMHO, is to go with a bigger oil pan, and a higher capacity radiator. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Better solution, IMHO, is to go with a bigger oil pan, and a higher capacity radiator. Nice, I am very slowly going down the route of racing Outback. Koyo + KillerB oil pan installed. My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Same here. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 The links above, with the exception of the GReddy one, are for the BRZ which doesn't come with an oil cooler. Our LGTs do come with the coolant-cooled cooler, but under sustained track heat loading they really don't do well without a bump-up in coolant cooling capacity, which is not in abundance where our stock radiators are concerned. Also, given the stock cooler's near-direct connectivity to the block, the OC likely stays much warmer than it would if it were out augmented by an out-in-the-windstream cooler. The only downside is that it's out in the windstream where it's vulnerable to road debris and flying objects, and the extra work that the oil pump has to do to move the oil. Better solution, IMHO, is to go with a bigger oil pan, and a higher capacity radiator. I had half that solution, and still have covers that look worse at 30k than others at 3x that mileage. Radiator was not a problem until long after I stopped tracking it. Need to look thru Sgt.Gator's thread to see what he did, as his oil was running at normal temps consistently (data to back it up). Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Nice, I am very slowly going down the route of racing Outback. Koyo + KillerB oil pan installed. I'd add the windage tray, as it keeps the splash off the rotating parts. And remove the AC unit to get more airflow. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Need to look thru Sgt.Gator's thread to see what he did, as his oil was running at normal temps consistently (data to back it up). He has his oil cooler sort of where the windshield washer fluid was. It was passive initially, but I think he might have added a fan on it / or was considering it. oldschoolbiker tracks consistently in his Outback and has exploded it a couple times and has a oil cooler set-up too. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/vir-full-course-3-27-miles-subaru-outback-xt-2-207081.html I'd add the windage tray, as it keeps the splash off the rotating parts. And remove the AC unit to get more airflow. and installed the windage tray and pickup. But I like my AC. Only reason I would remove it is if I stripped and caged it. edit: just realized I am repeating information to you that you already know.... I'll go with this - if you aren't going to track it why go with an oil cooler now? If you do decide to track it, it seems like a pretty easy part to install later down the line. My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 I don't track anymore (slicks & 1.25g cornering), however, I still drive it like I stole it. Autox, short road courses, and 5k rpm daily commute. $400 for an oil cooler seems a bit much. So its still, as it was during build out, on the nice to have list. I have visited Gator's car at the track and have numerous pics. His new position is behind a custom duct on the side of the fender for unrestricted air flow. Unless he moved it with the new hood. I'm supposed to be rebuilding for resale, so adding the oil cooler isn't going to translate into a higher price. Although given my bonus (unexpected chump change), I might sell my sonic and keep the wagon. :-) Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'm supposed to be rebuilding for resale, so adding the oil cooler isn't going to translate into a higher price. Although given my bonus (unexpected chump change), I might sell my sonic and keep the wagon. :-) DO IT!!! You know you want to. My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMileHighLGT Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 IIRC, gator has a NACA duct for the oil cooler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 IIRC, gator has a NACA duct for the oil cooler? yes My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 IIRC, gator has a NACA duct for the oil cooler? Post - http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4997607&postcount=217 Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapture Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Me rickey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMileHighLGT Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I did remember correctly!! (That's saying something!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Gator Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I haven't taken my valve covers off yet so we can't compare. I strongly suggest a real oil cooler if you are racing or tracking a lot in summer heat. The factory oil cooler is a joke. I can't think of any other car that cools the engine oil with engine coolant, right next to the exhaust pipe. My cooler does not have a fan, although I can easily add one if the data logging shows I need it. There's a bunch of pics in my thread....here's the best individual post: http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4931028&postcount=175 If you don't have an FMIC then simply putting it in front of your radiator like a power steering cooler should work fine, using the radiator tie thru plastic holders. Regarding a group buy, I have a wholesale account, I'll see what I can come up with for ya'll. Nothing like a race track to find the weak points in man and machine. "Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 ^^^ Which oil cooler do you have? I'll have to mount up front, as still have battery where you have yours mounted. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMileHighLGT Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I haven't taken my valve covers off yet so we can't compare. I strongly suggest a real oil cooler if you are racing or tracking a lot in summer heat. The factory oil cooler is a joke. I can't think of any other car that cools the engine oil with engine coolant, right next to the exhaust pipe. My cooler does not have a fan, although I can easily add one if the data logging shows I need it. There's a bunch of pics in my thread....here's the best individual post: http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4931028&postcount=175 If you don't have an FMIC then simply putting it in front of your radiator like a power steering cooler should work fine, using the radiator tie thru plastic holders. Regarding a group buy, I have a wholesale account, I'll see what I can come up with for ya'll. I agree with you on this gator. We do not have a real oil cooler. The purpose of our oil cooler isn't exactly to keep the oil cool. The idea of the oil cooler and the placement of it on the block is more used for emissions control. Subaru put those components there for emissions control. Yes. Bear with me. The quicker the car reaches normal operating temps the lower the emissions will be. Its obvious Subaru was considering this because of the 'cooler' location, the catted up pipes in 05/6 and the air pumps in the 07/9 cars. I also believe the horrible stock tunes are due to emissions control (staying lean well into the boost). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 I agree with you on this gator. We do not have a real oil cooler. The purpose of our oil cooler isn't exactly to keep the oil cool. The idea of the oil cooler and the placement of it on the block is more used for emissions control. Subaru put those components there for emissions control. Yes. Bear with me. The quicker the car reaches normal operating temps the lower the emissions will be. Its obvious Subaru was considering this because of the 'cooler' location, the catted up pipes in 05/6 and the air pumps in the 07/9 cars. I also believe the horrible stock tunes are due to emissions control (staying lean well into the boost). So the thermostatic oil cooler offered by mishimoto would still do this? Let the oil get to temp, then start cooling it? Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMileHighLGT Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 So the thermostatic oil cooler offered by mishimoto would still do this? Let the oil get to temp, then start cooling it? Yes it should. The thermostatic valve will bypass the cooler until the oil is warm enough to open the thermostat then the cooler will cool the oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Gator Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 AMileHighLGT is correct, the thermostatic oil sandwich plate stays closed until the oil warms up, then opens. If you have a street car in a cold climate this would be important. If you have a race or dedicated track 3 season car it's just one more thing that can fail and cause problems. Mine is the non-thermostatic. The funky Subaru oil cooler/heater is very useful for dropping the sandwich plate low enough to get it to work with the hoses. So leave it all connected, put the sandwich plate on the bottom of the OEM cooler, then spin on the filter. It does hang down a ways though and is vulnerable if you become a rally car, like I did! Mishimoto makes some WRX-STI specific setups. You can look at them here, scroll down to the Subaru and Universal sections: http://www.mishimoto.com/mishimoto-transmission-coolers-oil-coolers.html#1 I downloaded the WRX-STI 06-07 Installation instructions here: http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/yhst-62631657248580/MMOC-WRX-06-INSTALLGUIDE.pdf It looks like it would probably work fine on a LGT without a FMIC. The bracket uses one of the hood latch bolts. If you have an FMIC you will need the universal kit with possibly longer hoses depending on where you to mount. I can get these at a very good price but you will have to PM me if you want to buy one. For example I can get the 06-07 WRX-STI system in both Silver or Black, with or without the thermostat, for a lot less than the MSRP you see on the Mishimoto website. That's true for all Mishimoto products, not just the oil coolers. No guarantees on fitment since I've never installed this exact setup. Nothing like a race track to find the weak points in man and machine. "Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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