stevenc1703 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Ok I misunderstood. Also you said that afr's are more than 12 never leaner, I run as low as 11.12 it seems with my car richer at wot ran better, do dyno results show otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Ok I misunderstood. Also you said that afr's are more than 12 never leaner, I run as low as 11.12 it seems with my car richer at wot ran better, do dyno results show otherwise?Good question - this would be something AMR or any of our tuners would have to answer. Richer (unless pig rich) is definitely safer and for sc/turbo'ed tunes its recommended and more optimal. For NA, typically 12.8:1 to maybe 12.4:1 is the theoretical sweet spot for power. But how that vibes with the 3.6R (if running richer at WOT gives more power) is ?. I was only going by the measured vs commanded AFR difference. On my car, prior to the header install, the car always ran somewhat richer than what the ECU/tune was commanding. Say commanded AFR of 12.6, actual was in the mid 11s, commanded AFR of 11.9 - actual measured in the low 11s, high 10s even! Car ran fine though and made good power (butt dyno). With the headers, and latest re-tune, the difference between commanded and measure AFRs is just much smaller. So I take that as a good thing. Prior to the re-tune with the headers and new exhaust on, the car ran very rich and as a result lost power. By very rich I assume Rob was seeing 10.x:1 or maybe even 9.x:1. If I had left AMR's shop without a re-tune it would run but the power loss would be there plus my MPGs would likely reflect the rich AFRs. Edited October 22, 2014 by Perscitus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Oh wow, that's rich. Ill have to watch out for that when I install the headers. I need to get on a dyno to get some real numbers. I am going to the strip on the 15th pending rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 And the mods continue.... secret hybrid intake project in the making: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik94087 Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 ^^^ looks like a bucket...good luck! Perscitus, do you have a dyno sheet from your latest tune, and if possible, please post your old dyno sheet as well. "It's within spec" - SOA "Depth is only shallowness viewed from the side." - Fredism "So, how much did it cost for your car to be undriveable ." - Stephen (very close friend) "You have done so much it would be stupid to go back." - Sunny of Guru Electronics 2018Q50RS | 2015WrxThread | Shrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 ^^^ looks like a bucket...good luck! Perscitus, do you have a dyno sheet from your latest tune, and if possible, please post your old dyno sheet as well.These are about 8" long; 6" wide - sitting on my dinner table. The filter on the left that we're going to fit with AMR has a 5.5" outlet that will velocity stack down to 3" ahead of a straight section of high density cross-linked polyethylene. The filter element will live in a matching polyethylene barrel/bucket style airbox with a long section of polyethylene pipe leading down to the ram air ductwork we've setup with nst8gr. Dyno sheet - posted in this thread maybe 3 pages back now. Old dyno sheets are up in my build thread (which I have to update, slacking on that a bit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik94087 Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 These are about 8" long; 6" wide - sitting on my dinner table. The filter on the left that we're going to fit with AMR has a 5.5" outlet that will velocity stack down to 3" ahead of a straight section of high density cross-linked polyethylene. The filter element will live in a matching polyethylene barrel/bucket style airbox with a long section of polyethylene pipe leading down to the ram air ductwork we've setup with nst8gr. Dyno sheet - posted in this thread maybe 3 pages back now. Old dyno sheets are up in my build thread (which I have to update, slacking on that a bit). Correct...page 100 for me. I need to get page 1 updated with a handful of stuff and I'm completely lost.... Maybe this weekend.... "It's within spec" - SOA "Depth is only shallowness viewed from the side." - Fredism "So, how much did it cost for your car to be undriveable ." - Stephen (very close friend) "You have done so much it would be stupid to go back." - Sunny of Guru Electronics 2018Q50RS | 2015WrxThread | Shrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) I've 'created' two custom PIDs to use in Torque/Torque Pro. What they do is add the STFT and LTFT per bank of cylinders up and report as one %. This is useful both for a quick glance of what's going on, data logging (2 columns instead of 4 that need to be added up later) and to reduce on-screen clutter (1 element for 4 cylinder cars, 2 for our H6s - instead of all 4 earlier). Torque allows you to setup custom PIDs off of original/exposed PIDs by performing simple math operations on them (in this case addition of two known PIDs) so I did just that. Works like a charm! Rule of thumb to see if your combined fuel trims (STFT+LTFT per bank of cylinders) are 'within spec' (lol): Low load, <15% throttle: +/-20%, ideally +/-10% High load, >15% throttle: +/-10%, ideally +/-5% High load, WOT: +/-5%, ideally close to 0% *close to 0% indicates a 'perfect' base fuel map value for a given load cell location While here, check if your Bank 1 and Bank 2 %s differ. You might see a fairly constant fuel trim diff ('offset') of 2 to 5% between Bank 1 and Bank 2 (with Bank 2% < Bank 1%). If they're dead on and respond the same to throttle input - lucky! - I'd love to see some logs! My fuel trims are and have always been ~+2.7% offset, regardless of mods, stage, tunes etc. With the average of Bank 1 fuel trim always about 2.7% richer than Bank 2. I also took the time to scan all the memory addresses on the regular OBDII interface using the 'Torque Scan' plugin - with the engine running and just the ignition switched on. I was unable to find any additional PIDs. This way we know there are no extra PIDs using the regular protocol. All the cool stuff is using the Subaru custom protocols on CAN, and we can't get to it without special tools/licenses to access them. Bummer. Edited October 27, 2014 by Perscitus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 And here is our actual throttle % translated from the OBDII reported TP @ Manifold values. For the EZ36D: Closed throttle reads 11.37 (2015 WRX ~12.55) Wide open throttle reads 80.78 (2015 WRX ~78.82) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFCConspiracy Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Any idea when another batch of headers will be ready for the general public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Any idea when another batch of headers will be ready for the general public? Late December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Here is a video of my car going 0-90, It's slightly uphill. Watch "Subaru 3.6r 0-90 XTREME RACING TUNING" on YouTube Subaru 3.6r 0-90 XTREME RACING TUNING: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFCConspiracy Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Late December. Sweet. A christmas present for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Here is a video of my car going 0-90, It's slightly uphill. Watch "Subaru 3.6r 0-90 XTREME RACING TUNING" on YouTube Subaru 3.6r 0-90 XTREME RACING TUNING: Very nice! The shift points and gear transitions looked/sounded very good - I can almost 'hear' the difference. Impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Very nice! The shift points and gear transitions looked/sounded very good - I can almost 'hear' the difference. Impressive! I'm gonna get them changed to 6000rpm shifts when I have the headers tuned, Should be even quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMajickMan Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also try with traction control turned off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also try with traction control turned off Here 0-80 traction control off. Watch "3.6r 0-80 traction control off" on YouTube 3.6r 0-80 traction control off: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) No real difference. According to a frame by Frame break down it's 0-60 in 5.2 secs 0-80 in 10 flat and 0-90 in 12.2. Light weight crank pulley going on Saturday so these times should get better, plus I have a tune with more timing that I can't currently run because of knock but I should be able to when I get some VP 109 for my drag race in November. Edited October 31, 2014 by stevenc1703 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also I've got the sub in the trunk, my kids car seats, and different junk in the car that will be removed plus the spare, rear seat, and maybe passengers seat will be removed for less weight. The guys at work are racing and we are gonna rank ourselves. I'm going up against a ls1 GTO, 91 5.0 lx mustang, 2013 5.0 GT mustang and who knows what else maybe a modded evo x, I can't be last, they already call my car the granny mobile. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I put the crankshaft pulley on but it had a little play around the key, not much but some. Being as much of a worry wort as I am I was looking very close at the new crank pulley to make sure that every thing is good and I noticed a very slight wobble almost like the pulley is not perfectly round. Is this something to be worried about and is it from the play on the key? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstg8r Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I put the crankshaft pulley on but it had a little play around the key, not much but some. Being as much of a worry wort as I am I was looking very close at the new crank pulley to make sure that every thing is good and I noticed a very slight wobble almost like the pulley is not perfectly round. Is this something to be worried about and is it from the play on the key? Mine has zero wobble and is as tight as can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Mine has zero wobble and is as tight as can be. Looking closer I think the wobble is at the center cap and my eyes saw it as the whole pulley. I torqued it to 144ft-lbs, not an easy task, and the tensioner doesn't move at all so I think I'm good. Here is a video of the pulley. Watch "Ez36 crankshaft pulley" on YouTube Ez36 crankshaft pulley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidal Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The top edges of the pulley look good but it does appear to wobble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The top edges of the pulley look good but it does appear to wobble. Yea I think it's the cap is slightly uneven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenc1703 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Mine has zero wobble and is as tight as can be. When you slid the pulley on did it seat on the key snuggly or was there some play in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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