cww516 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Either that, or let the clutch out in neutral, then clutch in and try again. Reverse is unsynchronized, so there's nothing other than dumb luck and a little bit of a taper aligning the gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Reviving and old thread again here. I have had this issue as well and now this week I can't even use reverse without it getting kicked out and grinding. I have a 2010 GT 6MT with 117k miles on it. For the past few months it has been resisting shifting into reverse but after stepping on the clutch a couple times it usually dropped in. Will replacing the synchronizer fix this? Has anyone done gearbox work at home successfully? Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cww516 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 There's no synchro for reverse, so that's not your problem. I'd peel the center console cover off and start looking for loose or broken clips, see if anything jumps out at you. If you have a second person, one person could pull the shifter into reverse while the second person watches the lever on the transmission- you could also try pushing on that lever a little to see if you can make it drop into reverse from underneath, and if you can (and it stays there if you put power to it), that'd probably point toward the shifter being the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Do you think it's not getting all the way into gear? Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 i added a half quart of mobil synthetic 75-90, and shift into a forward gear before reverse, and it's all good... it's a little quirk i can deal with, the car is starting to grow on me i have to do a trans fluid change soon, i looked at the service schedule on alldata at school today, there is no way the previous owner followed that, i intend to. the one thing i noticed is that there was no scheduling for the timing belt to be replaced, so every 60k it is it looks fairly simple... now if i could just find those spark plugs (little different than my beloved blown v6 lol) and get the throttle to respond instantly instead of waiting a second. that throttle delay pisses me off, i've killed this car more than all the other manuals i've ever driven combined have you done the clutch damper delete yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cww516 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Do you think it's not getting all the way into gear? Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk That's kinda what I'm thinking, something in the shifter mechanism isn't quite moving far enough to move the lever on the transmission to where it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 have you done the clutch damper delete yet? Yes, I had that done about a month ago. Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 That's kinda what I'm thinking, something in the shifter mechanism isn't quite moving far enough to move the lever on the transmission to where it needs to be. I will have to try your test tonight but I have a hunch something is out on this. 6MT for the GT new is 6400. I found one on carmonkeys but it says call for price and I am still on hold. Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cww516 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If it's actually something inside the transmission that's bad, you could probably have it rebuilt. All of the parts see identified on parts.subaru.com, so as long as you haven't been circulating glitter through there for a while and damaging the other gears (and I feel like you'd know if you were), that's definitely still an option. I'd look at the shifter mechanism first, though- if nothing else, it's cheaper than a $6400 (plus shipping and labor, no doubt) transmission replacement. Hell, for that price, you could probably go the STI 6mt route and still come out ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If it's actually something inside the transmission that's bad, you could probably have it rebuilt. All of the parts see identified on parts.subaru.com, so as long as you haven't been circulating glitter through there for a while and damaging the other gears (and I feel like you'd know if you were), that's definitely still an option. I'd look at the shifter mechanism first, though- if nothing else, it's cheaper than a $6400 (plus shipping and labor, no doubt) transmission replacement. Hell, for that price, you could probably go the STI 6mt route and still come out ahead. I've found 1 GT 6MT transmissions available with 117k miles for 1650.00 shipped at that price to anywhere with a fork lift. STI swap will be pricey and I might as well go all the way out to the wheels. Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 have you done the clutch damper delete yet? Why did you quote a post from 2012, made by a person who hasn't been on here since 2014, to ask them a question? GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 The shifter cables and the shifter assembly itself has given a few owners some issues. The cables stretched or broke on wrxwhit's car, and a member in the FB group had the plastic mechanisms of the shifter break. I think at least 2 other members here had the shifter break also. As ccw said, I would look there first instead of assuming the worst with the tranny. In fact, when wrxwhit's cable was all wonky, he couldn't get it into reverse either and had to push his car out of the garage in the mornings for about a week. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Why did you quote a post from 2012, made by a person who hasn't been on here since 2014, to ask them a question? Because I'm still getting used to this forum format Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 ^ Not you bud! I was talking to ripstik. You bumped a thread regarding an issue pertinent to your issue, makes perfect sense and is perfectly normal. He asked a question of a member that posted back in 2012 and hasn't even been on the board since 2014, which makes no sense at all. He's not using the forum tools or his brain to make good posts. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 GTEASER thanks for clarifying! I'm trying my best to join the forum club and the Legacy club but I can help but shake the feeling I have no idea what I am doing haha. I am going to have a local transmission shop take a look at the loose cable theory as soon as possible. I also am in talks with BB to get his old split case 6MT so I can do a rebuild on that for when this transmission finally goes. Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 ^^ No worries man, you're doing just fine. I was totally new to forums and had no idea what I was doing on here when I joined back in 2012. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02LGTSNJ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I too have noticed it being tricky to get into reverse at times. What I usually do is put it back in neutral and, if on an incline, let the car roll a bit forward or back and then it usually goes right in. But yea it definitely sounds horrible when if it jumps out and grinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamario Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I'm having the same issue.. The best way to pitch this to my wife is I need a new shifter. While i'm at it I might as well buy a short throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Why did you quote a post from 2012, made by a person who hasn't been on here since 2014, to ask them a question? Seems to have worked fine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I've had two transmission techs look at it now. They have both said my reverse synchro is worn and it needs to be replaced. Unfortunately that means pulling and opening the transmission. This will cost a lot to have a dealership do. Has anyone worked on these before? Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Reverse does not have a synchro to my knowledge. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I can find a handful of parts named a reverse idlers or something similar. The tech at the dealership said he's replaced synchros on 5 speed split case transmissions and this is the same thing. This one most interestingly 32282AA160 shows syncro teeth carved machined in the gear. This one should then be the synchro itslef 32629AA010. I am not trying to make waves and I will happily admit that I am wrong after my transmission is fixed and I know exactly what happened. Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Reverse does not have a synchro to my knowledge. The old 5 spd had a synchro but reverse wasn't synchronized figure that out, maybe it is the best way to keep from engaging reverse during forward movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Do you know more about this or can you explain it more clearly for me? Alternatively, what would cause only reverse to kick out of gear? Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cww516 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The face of the idler has those teeth on there to align the teeth of the idler with the reverse gear so that they'll mesh when you pull them together, but they're definitely unsynchronized. If you want proof of that, just try pulling the shifter into reverse when you're moving forward (please don't do this, it'll make bad sounds). Synchronizers are meant to match the speed of a freely-spinning (or stopped) gear to that of a moving gear using friction (or, more accurately, the shear viscosity of the transmission fluid between the faces of the synchro), and when you're stopped and shifting into reverse, nothing in the transmission is spinning, so a synchro would only do you any good if you're trying to get into reverse while rolling backwards. I get blocked out of reverse once in a blue moon in the Legacy, and relatively often in the Baja, easy fix is to let the clutch out in neutral and try again. Would be interesting to know what causes that (probably being a dummy and grinding gears), but I don't know that I'm interested enough to actually go exploring. This could be an opportunity for our resident STI 6-speed swap expert to snap a couple pictures, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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