Lardo420 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 ib4thisthreadgetshickstad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I know more about timing belt theory than everyone in this thread. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTATV Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I know more about timing belt theory than everyone in this thread. drop some knowledge in this biotch then mad scientist... http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii287/bac52/card.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTDogg MA Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 The Gates pump is $70... Do It Are you not changing your idlers and tensioner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatsuDano Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 its like a WWF team match. The next mod is hangin on the ropes with his hand up... "tag me in man" http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-656xnyDhQss/TWauwGNyF6I/AAAAAAAADc4/b7o7Lh2lZdY/s1600/wwf_costumes_1.jpg Shawn Michaels!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Timing belt coming off? Replace everything it touches that will eventually wear out. Water pump? Replace it. Tensioner? Replace it. Idler? Replace it. Do you HAVE to? No. Should you? Yes. /thread about replacing the water pump at the timing belt service. Oh, and regarding brands, I'd use a Gates timing belt without hesitation. Gates is one of the worlds largest manufacturers of belts. I'd use an OEM pump, though. The stocker lasted 100k, why mess with success? [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I find it amazing that the guy has the money to pay Subaru for all of the labor associated with a timing belt change instead of doing it himself for $350 and the cost of a six pack for rewarding himself but he can't pay an extra $60 to replace the water pump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTATV Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Timing belt coming off? Replace everything it touches that will eventually wear out. Water pump? Replace it. Tensioner? Replace it. Idler? Replace it. Do you HAVE to? No. Should you? Yes. /thread about replacing the water pump at the timing belt service. Oh, and regarding brands, I'd use a Gates timing belt without hesitation. Gates is one of the worlds largest manufacturers of belts. I'd use an OEM pump, though. The stocker lasted 100k, why mess with success? exactly what I said. I have had too many parts from automotive places (such as napa) that look just great on the outside but are not as well built. A lot of stuff is refurbished actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 exactly what I said. I have had too many parts from automotive places (such as napa) that look just great on the outside but are not as well built. A lot of stuff is refurbished actually. That being said, I think that the gates timing belt kit with gates water pump has been used successfully by oodles of people for tens of thousands of miles without issue. At least I know that I have yet to see a "Gates water pump failure" thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardo420 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I know more about timing belt theory than everyone in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 That being said, I think that the gates timing belt kit with gates water pump has been used successfully by oodles of people for tens of thousands of miles without issue. At least I know that I have yet to see a "Gates water pump failure" thread There is nothing wrong with the Gates pump. They make good stuff that's reliable. I'd just go with the OEM. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__raj Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Of course he said that. The timing belt is not a difficult job on these cars and if a customer can get milked for labor then it's all well and good. Might as well charge two separate labor costs for when the water pump does go out. There IS such a thing as preventative maintenance and in cases like this, it should be practiced. $150 labor on my timing belt only/tensionor I'll "chance" the water pump. I skipped on two Honda Civic's and VW Jetta run till 200-230k, no problems. Maybe luck will run out on the LGT but I am betting $150 it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 $150 labor on my timing belt only/tensionor I'll "chance" the water pump. I skipped on two Honda Civic's and VW Jetta run till 200-230k, no problems. Maybe luck will run out on the LGT but I am betting $150 it won't happen. You do understand that a water pump failure CAN destroy the timing belt, right? [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTATV Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I find it amazing that the guy has the money to pay Subaru for all of the labor associated with a timing belt change instead of doing it himself for $350 and the cost of a six pack for rewarding himself but he can't pay an extra $60 to replace the water pump "penny wise pound foolish" comes to mind... $150 labor on my timing belt only/tensionor I'll "chance" the water pump. I skipped on two Honda Civic's and VW Jetta run till 200-230k, no problems. Maybe luck will run out on the LGT but I am betting $150 it won't happen. 150 dollars???? You're really going out on a limb and betting the farm on this one aren't you? You changed my pane of consciousness right there. i am going to go back in and replace the replacement pump with the original this weekend on my car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 And you're not betting $150, you're betting $3000+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__raj Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 You do understand that a water pump failure CAN destroy the timing belt, right? Maybe it could. I will likely do it in 70k more miles at the next timing belt change. I don't believe water pump failure is common in Subaru but anything can happen. Still running the original turbo with 3k dino oil changes too.... My wife almost only had the throw out bearing changed out for $425, but got the full clutch for $850 at mechanic's recommendation with a cleaned up flywheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Can't say you weren't warned. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted April 27, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted April 27, 2012 Holy shit, this thread... I'll just jump right out and say it. If you replace your timing belt and ignore the pulleys and water pump, you are an idiot. Maybe the waterpump will last, maybe not. But it's a stupid gamble. If money's tight, then get the ebay gates kit. $250 shipped for the belt, all pulleys, and water pump. I changed my belt, pulleys, and water pump at 115k miles. I had a pulley that sounded like it had sand in the bearings and the idler gear rattled when I shook it. All the grease had leaked out. It was about ready to fail catastrophically. I just used the gates water pump gasket. It is paper while I think the subaru one was rubber. I doubt it will be a problem since I've never heard of anyone having it leak. It's not a hard job if you're patient and thorough. But an extra set of hands, an allen wrench that fits the lower cam, and a rubber strap wrench on the top one makes lining things up extremely easy. The hardest part for me was disconnecting the hoses from the water pump. Those fvckers did not want to come off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTDogg MA Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 There is nothing wrong with the Gates pump. They make good stuff that's reliable. I'd just go with the OEM. Gates makes the OEM water pump, according to FBP. BMX said that the impellers are different, which is why I'm going with OEM. ib4thisthreadgetshickstad Before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted April 27, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted April 27, 2012 The water pumps are definitely different. But quality appeared to be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 The water pumps are definitely different. But quality appeared to be the same. What makes you say this? Without any evidence to back it up, you are pretty much just talking our of your ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted April 27, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted April 27, 2012 I said the "quality appeared to be the same" assnut. All of my posts are me just talking out of my ass. Do you pay attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I said the "quality appeared to be the same" assnut. All of my posts are me just talking out of my ass. Do you pay attention? See, this attitude is why nobody likes you. Sucks that your generation can't sufficiently explain their ideas in a coherent manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted April 27, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted April 27, 2012 I can splain myself in properly! People like me god damn it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Why are you squirming and getting super defensive? It's like you're an ant under my magnifying glass. Only an idiot would get offended at what a stranger on the internet says about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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