turboxer Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 it really does suck that subaru doesnt make the gt wagon anymore. I guess they didn't want it to effect the sales of the outback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 No one bought them; everyone bought Outbacks instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Really? Hmmm? - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Marker Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 it really does suck that subaru doesnt make the gt wagon anymore. I guess they didn't want it to effect the sales of the outback. From what I remember reading, they got rid of the Legacy wagon to streamline the overall line up and to avoid customer confusion between two different wagons. It makes sense to sell more of one model then a few of two models. They'll make more money that way. 2011 Volvo S60T6 & 2013 Volvo XC60T6 Polestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 No one bought them; everyone bought Outbacks instead. That's what SOA propaganda said. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 From what I remember reading, they got rid of the Legacy wagon to streamline the overall line up and to avoid customer confusion between two different wagons. It makes sense to sell more of one model then a few of two models. They'll make more money that way. They can streamline the overall line up to one model - Outback. This will surely avoid any customer confusion. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 From what I remember reading, they got rid of the Legacy wagon to streamline the overall line up and to avoid customer confusion between two different wagons. It makes sense to sell more of one model then a few of two models. They'll make more money that way. Now that they both look like SUVs, there's no point in selling the Legacy wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Marker Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Everythink just got bigger.... So I guess they had to come up with some smaller cars...XV and the coupe thing....whatever that RWD thing is going to be called. 2011 Volvo S60T6 & 2013 Volvo XC60T6 Polestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKs17 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 So is the shimmy/vibration problem solved from the latest bulletins yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stock_Sucks Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 so i dont understand the "it doesnt sell" idea.. i dont remeber seeing any car companies crushing any cars, cause they didnt sell...... they just might take longer to sell than some others. Now before I get flamed... I understand that if it takes longer to sell you make less money... every car that gets made gets sold... eventualy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 If it takes too long to sell, there's no point tying up a production line making those models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherWarrior Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 so i dont understand the "it doesnt sell" idea.. i dont remeber seeing any car companies crushing any cars, cause they didnt sell...... they just might take longer to sell than some others. Now before I get flamed... I understand that if it takes longer to sell you make less money... every car that gets made gets sold... eventualy.There is more to it than that. Often folks forget about the time to design and engineer each model. Not huge here since we are only talking about minor changes for the US market (bumbers, emissions, safety equipment, etc.). But also there is tooling and manufacturing costs. Volume is key for covering overhead. It is the same with minivans. It doesn't get discussed on forum posts like these because Subaru never made one. Folks just need to get over that the wagon is gone. It won't come back, and the foriegn markets are next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Agreed with everything up to the point about "foreign markets are next". Foreign markets are seeing a marked-upturn in wagon sales as more and more owners/drivers are realizing the excellent utility that a wagon provides. Stodgy USDM drivers just don't "need" it because they have a huge choice between trucks, minivans, cross-overs and SUVs. ROTW doesn't have nearly the depth of field from which to select so, for them, a wagon makes sense. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Additional tooling cost for producing USDM Legacy Wagon would be minimal taking into account that USDM Outback is pretty much same vehicle. One could even argue that Legacy Wagons would be less expensive to manufacture since Outback needs different suspension parts while Legacy wagon uses the same suspension as Legacy sedan. SOA just finds it easier to present their Legacy Wagon glass as half-empty while the rest of us sees it as half-full. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 There is more to it than that. Often folks forget about the time to design and engineer each model. Not huge here since we are only talking about minor changes for the US market (bumbers, emissions, safety equipment, etc.). But also there is tooling and manufacturing costs. Volume is key for covering overhead. It is the same with minivans. It doesn't get discussed on forum posts like these because Subaru never made one. Folks just need to get over that the wagon is gone. It won't come back, and the foriegn markets are next. You shall be aware that on some markets you are dead as a dodo if you don't have a wagon in your product line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherWarrior Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 ^ There are tiny markets that might be true, but you have to acknowledge the 800 pound Gorilla (China). I would have to do more reading, but I got the impression there was more movement toward crossovers (not SUVs...those are truly dying in all markets), and touring cars (the four-door fastback/hatchback). I'll conceed I'm not super knowledgable about the foriegn markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM SpecB Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Agreed with everything up to the point about "foreign markets are next". Foreign markets are seeing a marked-upturn in wagon sales as more and more owners/drivers are realizing the excellent utility that a wagon provides. Stodgy USDM drivers just don't "need" it because they have a huge choice between trucks, minivans, cross-overs and SUVs. ROTW doesn't have nearly the depth of field from which to select so, for them, a wagon makes sense. I would bet here they sell more wagons than sedans by 2:1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ned Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I would bet here they sell more wagons than sedans by 2:1 How much are you willing to wager? Wagons are dead in the US unless you market them as a non-wagon that happens to look like a wagon. The US went to minivans to avoid the wagon stigma and then went to SUVs to avoid the minivan stigma. I don't want to see what replaces the SUV stigma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stock_Sucks Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 How much are you willing to wager? Wagons are dead in the US unless you market them as a non-wagon that happens to look like a wagon. The US went to minivans to avoid the wagon stigma and then went to SUVs to avoid the minivan stigma. I don't want to see what replaces the SUV stigma. Wagons..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrw Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Wagons..... No they're called cross overs now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I would bet here they sell more wagons than sedans by 2:1 Probably about the same ratio here - or better. Took a look at the parking lot where I live and out of 16 cars only 4 were sedans, the rest were wagons or at least aspiring to be wagons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherWarrior Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I would bet here they sell more wagons than sedans by 2:1Where is "here" ? You kinda left that part out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM SpecB Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Where is "here" ? You kinda left that part out. http://nzoutside.com/magazine/images/nz_road_trip.jpg http://www.esidle.com/travel/photos/nz/sheep_road.jpg http://www.snowboarderguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ken-block-subaru-sti.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/2agth6s.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Nothing but gorgeous pictures Love the area...and the JDM-goodness of the Subarus down-unda there. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stock_Sucks Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 thread jack.... check out JDM girls on facebook..... they are from Australia... I didnt know there was mountains or snow in Australia.... I'm sorry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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