D_J Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 anyone running this 25mm bar with the stock front bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
integroid Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 anyone running this 25mm bar with the stock front bar? That would be pretty retarded...unless you like a lot of over steer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 ^ I'm actually tempted to do so - but since I can't account for potential emergency maneuvers, I honestly also don't think I should. My front 25mm is on back-order, so I'm just sitting pretty until it comes, the spaghetti al-denture on both ends. ---- OK, so I've got an install related question: I've been doing a lot of install-related reading, and it seems to be quite conflicting as to whether to install these on ramps (i.e. with the suspension loaded) or on jackstands (unloaded). I have yet to dig up my Vacation Pix, but the Haynes suggests removing the wheels, for both installs, which would mean jackstands..... What's everyone's preference? And if the swap-over should be done unloaded, are there any components that should be left "loose," and tightened after the suspension is loaded? From one thread/post, I recall that the suggestion was to tighten all but the bar brackets - to hit those to torque-specs after the suspension is loaded. ??? <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpmarky Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I did it on jacks on both sides, both wheels off. It's alot easier to reach all the bolts that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 anyone running this 25mm bar with the stock front bar? I AM!!!!!!!:spin::spin::spin::spin: IT IS SOOOOOOO WRECKLASS I can drift pretty well (i go through tires so fast though, bout a set a year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 My front 25mm is on back-order, so I'm just sitting pretty until it comes, the spaghetti al-denture on both ends. Um....OK, that was fast.... Found these on my door-step, when I came home today! Dangit - wifey's :wub:birthday is this weekend, she'll kill me if I spent time with the other wife. But if I don't do it this weekend, it's gonna be nothing 'till May! Sigh....a month in the dog-house, or a month with less driving fun? I guess I'll prolong things by researching my endlinks selection a little more. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin311 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 TSI, did you order energy suspension bushings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin311 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Swaybar bushings come in tomorrow. Just in time to do the install on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 TSI, did you order energy suspension bushings? ^ Yep. I went with simple black. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin311 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 ^ Yep. I went with simple black. Same. Got the greasable black. No sense getting red when black is the same cost and self-lubricating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 ....the same cost and self-lubricating. ^ That's always a good thing, right? <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_J Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Do the universal 25mm energy suspension bushings fit a 25mm front sway bar? I can't get a good look at the bushing/clamps yet until I lift and remove the wheels, etc. Ordered a set for the rear sway bar already. Yes the black ones are a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin311 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Do the universal 25mm energy suspension bushings fit a 25mm front sway bar? I can't get a good look at the bushing/clamps yet until I lift and remove the wheels, etc. Ordered a set for the rear sway bar already. Yes the black ones are a no-brainer. From what Ive read, you have to trim the actual clamp for it to fit in the stock location. As far as sizing, 25mm should be 25mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 From what Ive read, you have to trim the actual clamp for it to fit in the stock location. ^ That's what I recall reading, too. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDN 2.5i Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I didn't have to do any trimming with these: Energy Suspension 9.5129R Red Non-Greaseable Sway Bar Bushing Set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin311 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Mmm self lubricating bushingssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDN 2.5i Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Same. Got the greasable black. No sense getting red when black is the same cost and self-lubricating. First time I've heard that there is a difference, other than color, between the red and black Energy Suspension bushings... Can you point me to where it says this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin311 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Color Energy Suspension makes parts in 2 colors. Red and Black. How are these two colors different? The only difference between the red and black parts is that most Black Energy Suspension parts are Graphite Impregnated. This serves to help self lubricate the bushings. The Red parts do not have this characteristic. Aside from the actual color and the lack of being Graphite Impregnated - the red parts are essentially the same as the black. I thought that the RED parts were harder and more performance oriented? This is a common misconception. The red parts have the same durometer (hardness) as the Black parts and differ only in their actual appearance (color) and the fact that they're NOT graphite impregnated like the Black parts. Why do people buy the red parts when they're not Graphite Impregnated like the Black parts? In the end this is really because some people simplylike the color Red more than Black. I thought Energy Suspension Made parts in Yellow and Blue as well? Unfortunately Energy Suspension stopped producing these colors a long time ago and they are no longer available on the market. From EnergySuspensionParts.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDN 2.5i Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Ah, thanks. I think I remember having seen that once but had totally forgotten since... Interesting, it says 'most' or 'selected' black parts depending on where you look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy Road Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I received my rear sway bar the other week and today I just got my front one. I was already to install them tomorrow but then I realized I needed bushings for the rear sway bar. That would of been a oh shit moment tomorrow, so I ordered some energy suspension bushings for the front and rear sway bars and I'll probably be putting them in next weekend end. Oh well tomorrow isn't a waste, I got a trans mount to put it. 276hp/347tq On a DynoJet Dyno Video - Had a big lean spot as you can tell in the second pull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
integroid Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 You can go ahead and install it with the Perrin bushings for now. It takes all of like 10 minutes to swap bushings on the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
integroid Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 ---- OK, so I've got an install related question: I've been doing a lot of install-related reading, and it seems to be quite conflicting as to whether to install these on ramps (i.e. with the suspension loaded) or on jackstands (unloaded). I have yet to dig up my Vacation Pix, but the Haynes suggests removing the wheels, for both installs, which would mean jackstands..... What's everyone's preference? And if the swap-over should be done unloaded, are there any components that should be left "loose," and tightened after the suspension is loaded? From one thread/post, I recall that the suggestion was to tighten all but the bar brackets - to hit those to torque-specs after the suspension is loaded. ??? I have done it both ways and it is easier to do it on ramps with the suspension loaded. You have to work against the bar when you have the suspension unloaded and car on stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy Road Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 You can go ahead and install it with the Perrin bushings for now. It takes all of like 10 minutes to swap bushings on the rear. I didn't get bushings when I got the rear bar, just the bar I can wait another week for the goodness 276hp/347tq On a DynoJet Dyno Video - Had a big lean spot as you can tell in the second pull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_J Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I only have one shop style floor jack...not sure how I can install the front bar very easily. The rear bar looks much easier to install for wagon owners especially if you have an Outback...lots of room to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness of Death Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 the front sway bar requires a few things to come off. space would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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