duckJAI Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Hole 1 and hole 2 will be firm or soft depending... eg both endlinks on hole 1 will be full firm, both on hole 2 will be full soft, and then using one of each on either end and crossing the connection will give you the third 'medium' setting. A 3 hole swaybar will give up to 5 settings. The Perrin website has some good information - http://www.perrinperformance.com/products/show/318/Sway-Bar-Rear-25MM- the Features tab explains the different settings. Thanks for the great info! Just curious, why do you Perrin owners regret not getting the 25mm rear sway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Everywhere you go there seems to be another opinion... Got this email back from Perrin when I asked what sway bars for a neutral handling car Thanks for your interest in PERRIN! For the best handling, I'd recommend going with the 22mm front and 25mm rear bar. That will give you the stiffest swaybar combination to give you the most neutral handling. We also have the PSRS for that car, which replaces a control arm bushing to give you even better handling. If you have any more questions, let me know, thanks! Chris Cone Tech Services PERRIN Performance™ AIM: altaperrinsales5 1-503-693-1702 My understanding is that a 25mm rear bar will rub pretty bad on a 3" turbo back. confirm/deny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 ^ kind of ruin my 25mm front and 22mm combo plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckJAI Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 My understanding is that a 25mm rear bar will rub pretty bad on a 3" turbo back. confirm/deny? Just get a custom exhaust, fixes that problem! I plan on getting a 25mm rear bar and keeping the front stock. If it's TOO much oversteer, I probably will upgrade the endlinks for the front and then take it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 custom exhaust? Id love too, but ive already got a 3". The first exhaust sent the Mrs. over the roof, and you want me to try and sell her on another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckJAI Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 So anyone have their reason why they regret not getting the rear 25mm Perrin swaybar? 22mm too weak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiotrojan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 i got the 22", and its pretty stiff, but can understand wanting even stiffer...i'm fine with my decision, but would also be fine with the increased stiffness of a 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckJAI Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Are you guys on coilovers or spring/shocks? I'm going to assume spring/shock combo, if so, I can understand why you guys would want 25mm rear swaybar. With coilovers, 25mm would be VERY incredibly stiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolksey85 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Sweet, bought my KB endlinks F+R today and should be here by mid week next week. Not gonna cheese out on these. I thought about Perrin but would rather have a little more compliance than a spherical bearing could offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Ive been talking at length with the guys from Rallitek (who are SUPER helpful, BTW) and Im pretty set on doing their kit f/r with end links. They have been explaining that its not only about bar size but construction, and that their kit is designed with neutral handling specifically in mind. Combine that with no exhaust rub, and that puts me on their kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolksey85 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Initial review: I drove all of maybe 2 miles from Beans back to work and it's a very noticable difference. Just a twitch of the wheel and it responds. The real results will come tonight when I go home. The back way with the twisty roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Initial review: I drove all of maybe 2 miles from Beans back to work and it's a very noticable difference. Just a twitch of the wheel and it responds. The real results will come tonight when I go home. The back way with the twisty roads. Sweet deal dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolksey85 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 More reviews: they're tits, plain and simple. I took a twisty road home and oh, man, is it much more giggle inducing to drive now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Bechtold Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I haven't seen anywhere what are the sizes of the stock front/rear swaybars on a Legacy GT? Just wanted to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoobie Posted February 6, 2010 Share Posted February 6, 2010 21mm front 16mm rear IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Bechtold Posted February 6, 2010 Share Posted February 6, 2010 Is there any benefit to same size (like 22mm front and rear) or would different sizes like Rallitek does be better? (22mm Front / 19mm Rear) What would the handling differences be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Is there any benefit to same size (like 22mm front and rear) or would different sizes like Rallitek does be better? (22mm Front / 19mm Rear) What would the handling differences be? A bigger bar in back is typically used if you want the car to oversteer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyjr Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Not just oversteer but handle more Neutral. We in North America get wimpy rear bars to give the general public safer understeer at the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Not just oversteer but handle more Neutral. We in North America get wimpy rear bars to give the general public safer understeer at the limit. Correct, but Gary was asking specifically about using the same sized bar front/rear. I guess I should have been more specific. When I said bigger, I was saying "bigger than usual". That is, when using the same sized bar as the front or even bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Bechtold Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yes. I want to know if running 22mm F/R is a good thing or the Rallitek style 22/19 is better. I am comparing to the stock setup which is smaller F/R regardless. I want to know how both handle vs. stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 A staggered setup such as Rallitek's is intended to make the handling more neutral than stock, but retain a small amount of understeer. This is a good idea for a street car because it gives a margin of safety. The handling is more benign to allow for slick conditions, sudden maneuvers or emergency situations. The last thing you want is to experience a spin-out at high speed. The impulse of most drivers when frightened is to hit the brakes. Sudden braking causes weight transfer away from the rear wheels. In a car that is set up to be neutral or oversteery, this could causes traction loss at the rear wheels. For track racing or more controlled conditions and a totally focused driver, a more neutral setup may be preferred. You can get around a track faster that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Bechtold Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 So basically if I went to a 22/22 setup it would want to oversteer rather than be neutral/slight oversteer then? Would the 22/19 understeer less than stock? I'm not much of a fan of the understeer on the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 The handling of our US cars from the factory is set up with hugely excessive understeer because, frankly, lots of drivers don't know what they are doing and the manufacturers want to play it safe. But that's no fun. The Rallitek setup is likely going to take away most of the roll and move the handling quite close to neutral, but with a bit of understeer. Of course, there are many factors other than the sway bars that will affect handling balance, so your mileage may vary. You might want to try an adjustable setup such as the Whiteline sway bars. Front: 22mm nominal, 21/24 effective, depending on adjustment setting. Rear: 20 nominal, 19/22 effective. (IIRC). This gives you a chance to experiment or adjust for the seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I've got a set of Whiteline adjustables for sale if you're interested: http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130675 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyjr Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 +2 on getting adjustable sways. I have progress bars that are adjustable at both ends as well. With the stock front bar used the softer rear setting. When I got the front bar, went to soft front setting , stiffer rear. Nice to have options to suit your style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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