monkonmonk Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hey guys, I have been looking into getting a protune for my Stg 2. But, in C-bus there don't seem to be many choices that are close and well respected here on the forums. So, I have heard that some places do some traveling and before I drive to Mach V or P&L, or all the way to PDX. I was wondering if there was any info on tuners travleing to or near OHIO anytime soon. Thanks for the help. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolds Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Why not do an e-tune from some one like infamous tuning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkonmonk Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 I don't know. I guess there is some comfort in knowing where my car would stand performance wise. Also, the whole logging thing and all that is quite new to me as well. Similar to PDX e-tuning? Do you have any more info?...I guess I could search, scratch that question. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkel33leg05 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkonmonk Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 thanks for the link kev, but I think there is some fear of not using the accessport, besides the fact I don't own a laptop or tatrix/tactrix cable. The AP is quite intuitive and seems like a good option. Anyone want to contend for the open source? Thanks again for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc6 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Read up on the ap. If you do it wrong you can fry ecu. 2005 Satin White Pearl Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Unlimited 5EAT (Project Car) 2019 Agate Black Ford Explorer XLT 4WD (DD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkel33leg05 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I use the AP. Im slowly getting into the OS though. But just wait a bunch of people will vouch for OS. And Yes you could fry your ecu using the ap but how many people use them and don’t fry them? Make sure your battery is charged and leave all your accessories off and your golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc6 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 lol $1000 lighter and running an optima red top now. 2005 Satin White Pearl Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Unlimited 5EAT (Project Car) 2019 Agate Black Ford Explorer XLT 4WD (DD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolds Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 the reason I suggested Infamous is he has treated me very well, I was very new to this stuff. He has helped me, as have others on this board and now I'm up and logging and flashing. I went the cheap route and bought the $20 Vag_Com cable off ebay, and that created some headaches for me. If you invest the money in a Tactrix Cable I'm told it much more seamless. Infamous then analyzes your logs and sends you an updated tune to further custom tailor your tune to your car. He does this several times to make sure its right. Here is a link from his thread http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103997 I am not affiliated with him I'm just a happy customer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkonmonk Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 I guess i would be interested in OS. The tuning thing is quite interesting to me and I feel as though I would be computer literate enough to understand what I am doing as opposed to just going through the motions. But, the OS thing is a bit intimidating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolds Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 scared me at first but I got very good advice from people here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjott21 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 There is a tuner coming to western PA in April: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1714387 Matt is a good tuner and I have been working with him to get this trip set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancobbtuning.com Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I use the AP. Im slowly getting into the OS though. But just wait a bunch of people will vouch for OS. And Yes you could fry your ecu using the ap but how many people use them and don’t fry them? Make sure your battery is charged and leave all your accessories off and your golden. I'm very curious on this talk about the AP frying ECU's? As goes for any ECU reflash tool if you interrupt the signal while flashing your ECU you could possibly brick your ECU. We have reversed engineered the ECU's (we support w/AP's) and we're able to recover failed flashes and force a stock rom on the ECU. The V1 AP doesn't have the built in recovery mode like the V2's. In the event of a failed flash, the V2 AP will recover itself and flash the vehicle back to a previous state and also from saving you the hassle to send us your ECU. To the OP- John Shafer here at Cobb does E-Tunes if you're interested in something like that. He also does fly out for tunes at the customers expense; although you don't see many Subaru owners doing this unless it's for a big group tune to make it worth while. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I know Clark Turner travels to tune. Check over on Nasioc to see if anyone's coming near you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc6 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm very curious on this talk about the AP frying ECU's? As goes for any ECU reflash tool if you interrupt the signal while flashing your ECU you could possibly brick your ECU. We have reversed engineered the ECU's (we support w/AP's) and we're able to recover failed flashes and force a stock rom on the ECU. The V1 AP doesn't have the built in recovery mode like the V2's. In the event of a failed flash, the V2 AP will recover itself and flash the vehicle back to a previous state and also from saving you the hassle to send us your ECU. To the OP- John Shafer here at Cobb does E-Tunes if you're interested in something like that. He also does fly out for tunes at the customers expense; although you don't see many Subaru owners doing this unless it's for a big group tune to make it worth while. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers. I was V1 and it was I sign I needed to step away from my current tune anyways. 2005 Satin White Pearl Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Unlimited 5EAT (Project Car) 2019 Agate Black Ford Explorer XLT 4WD (DD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkel33leg05 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm very curious on this talk about the AP frying ECU's? As goes for any ECU reflash tool if you interrupt the signal while flashing your ECU you could possibly brick your ECU. We have reversed engineered the ECU's (we support w/AP's) and we're able to recover failed flashes and force a stock rom on the ECU. The V1 AP doesn't have the built in recovery mode like the V2's. In the event of a failed flash, the V2 AP will recover itself and flash the vehicle back to a previous state and also from saving you the hassle to send us your ECU. To the OP- John Shafer here at Cobb does E-Tunes if you're interested in something like that. He also does fly out for tunes at the customers expense; although you don't see many Subaru owners doing this unless it's for a big group tune to make it worth while. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers. I was getting at its pretty hard to mess up when flashing with the ap...And its good to know the V2 can recover itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkonmonk Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 I agree with all the positives with the AP, which I have. But, this OS thing is quite intriguing. What are the real advantages? There are so many opinions and threads out that that say it is good and bad. I think that the e-tune is going to be the way to go. Now it comes down to I think PDX or infamous1. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrunone Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 For me, the decision to use the AP was 1) lack of knowledge of tuning in general and 2) A few tuners around here told me that they wouldn't tune open source, they only do AP tunes for Legacies. Sorta weird I guess, but thats how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkel33leg05 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I agree with all the positives with the AP, which I have. But, this OS thing is quite intriguing. What are the real advantages? There are so many opinions and threads out that that say it is good and bad. I think that the e-tune is going to be the way to go. Now it comes down to I think PDX or infamous1. Jason Pretty sure Infamous doesnt due tunes for the ap correct me if im wrong. PDX OR TA (tuning alliances) would be your options. TA is cheaper and thats what im run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow05gtRI Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 yeah I think infamous is OS only. PDX you get all the AP maps (valet, economy, etc) and you log and send back to fine tune it, but more expensive TA you get your main map and you log to send back to fine tune it, but less expensive. for a map upgrade (adding new parts) the TA upgrade is only $25....I just did that, going from stage 1 to stage 2 this weekend and needed an updated map. That being said, I'm going opensource when I do my protune next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolds Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Go open source, save your self 400-500 bucks just on the hardware to tune alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Obviously I love opensource! I only do Access tuner race for local road tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Obviously I love opensource! I only do Access tuner race for local road tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkonmonk Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 Infamous1, do you have a response for the ability of the AP to save a failed download. I guess I don't fully understand for the OS, is it possible to save to the ECU if it failed the first time. What are it;s limitations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 The way I prevent from any failed OS flashes is to test write the ecu first. By doing this the rom image is first loaded to the ram to make sure everything is compatible. Then you can flashed to the ECU without worries. In the event there is a problem ecuflash will make your aware and it will attempt to re-write once again. I have flashed my own vehicle probaly close to 200 times without any sort of trouble. In all the cars I have tuned I have only had an error message pop up once, in which at that point I just followed the software instructions without trouble. I have never had a "bricked" ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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