D_J Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yeah they can easily sell-off Saab back to Sweden...then dump some of the underperforming brands. Ditch Hummer the mpg is ridiculous. Pontiac and Saturn should also either be sold or dumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyjay1089 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 not saturn.. that company has an image most easily changed. Their newer cars are much better, minus the VUE. Hummer, Pontiac, and the non-commercial GMC lines should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 What do you think will become of the Subaru / Toyota connection in light of current events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Hasn't Toyota always held more or less of an interest in Subaru? And how is the situation for Subaru worldwide considering the general situation for the car industry? We all hear about the critical situation that Ford, GM and Chrysler has, but not much else. Maybe they have adapted better? And right now - I think that the question is more about if GM will tank or not rather than which GM brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobY Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 "all of them" to the survey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_J Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 NONE of them make a wagon similiar to a Legacy or Outback that gives me the mix between performance and utility/truck. Dodge has a wagon that is a nice try but too short with lack of cargo space. Ford/GM just have usual cookie-cut square box on wheels that have horrible handling characterics and zero style points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/12/gm_logo1_di_opt.jpg Well, that was short lived. Ford just finished bringing its more powerful and efficient four- and six-cylinder engines to market in the Escape CUV, but the Dearborn CUV is going to have to kiss its crossover efficiency crown goodbye when the 2010 Chevrolet Equinox drops. Redone for '10, the new Equinox will offer direct-injection engines that deliver greater power and fuel economy improvements of their own, enough to push Ford's new powerplants out of the top spot. This evening GM has unveiled a 2.4-liter direct injection EcoTec four-cylinder that will kick out 180 horsepower while returning a projected EPA highway rating of 30 mpg (Ford's 2.5L I-4 produces 170 hp and returns a maximum of 28 mpg highway). It's a marvelous way to send the old 3.4 liter V6 into the sunset, but if you absolutely must have a V6, there's also a DI 3.0-liter version of GM's excellent "high feature" V6 delivering an impressive 255 horsepower (Again, Ford's heavily revised 3.0L V6 produces 240 hp). Both engines have been developed with an eye (or ear) toward reducing the typically increased noise of DI engines. There are rubber isolators to keep the fuel rail racket down and attention to noise attenuation was an important aspect of the program. Variable valve timing also allows both engines to be more efficient over a broader rpm range. Backing both powerplants is a six-speed automatic transmission. Now all the General has to do is hang on 'till these cars hit showrooms and pray for higher fuel prices to further drive demand. Very, very good. Add cylinder deactivation to the 6 cylinder and now we are really talkin. And probably making some interesting noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTlegacy06 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I think DI will be a new standard for modern motors. Just like with variable valve time, only a few at first (mostly Honda) had them and then the technology was adapted by all automakers with their own versions of VVT, CVVT or whatever they want to abbreviate it as. Although we have yet to see how it will impact mass produced models and the longevity of this type of motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 How long did it take for fuel injection to become the standard. And don't forget dual valve time (Valvetronic, valvematic) is out there too, and underutilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 GM disbands High Performance Vehicle Operations In what may come as a surprise to many, General Motors has decided to disband its High Performance Vehicle Operations (HPVO) as it seeks to reduce costs and focus on mainstream products. The go-fast center consisted of a small skunk works of GM engineers who worked in the company’s suburban Detroit technical center and were responsible for exciting vehicles like the Cadillac ‘V-Series’ of cars and Chevrolet ‘SS’ models. The latest information was confirmed by GM spokesman Vince Muniga during an interview with Automotive News. Muniga stated that all “high-performance projects are on indefinite hold.” He also revealed that the former HPVO engineers would be moved into working on mainstream products for the Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet and Pontiac lines. Some of the HPVO’s most memorable models included the Cadillac CTS-V, Chevrolet HHR SS and the Cobalt SS. Sadly, Muniga said there are no plans for similar high-performance versions of future models. One of the cars we were all hoping for was a V-Series version of the upcoming CTS Coupe, complete with a 556hp (414kW) supercharged V8. Considering GM has already developed the powertrain for the CTS-V Sedan there remains a slim chance that the super-coupe could be produced but don’t hold your breath. As some solace, Muniga said the HPVO could be reinstated once GM regains its financial health but with the way things are looking that could certainly take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyh Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 GM can just go suck start a shotgun. <--Jilted GM fan. Martin Luther - "Who loves not women, wine and song remains a fool his whole life long." EL4NFZT7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboa113 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I suppose the answer to this thread is actually "all of them." "The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 GM looks to get rid of Saab. YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10464840/1/saab-story-gm-looks-to-unload-it.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 They did have a meeting today about possible reconstruction of SAAB, but it was adjourned. And there was an interview on the radio with a person that seems to have knowledge about what's happening, and the talk was about declaring bankruptcy. The business rules are a bit different here, so there is no direct match to Chapter 11 and Chapter 7, even though there are similarities. I wouldn't be surprised if SAAB kicks the bucket tomorrow or so. And I won't be surprised if GM is going the same way soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Out of the big 3, they are the only one who hasnt made any real moves to save there ass. Ford sold stock, and is making some nice cars, dodge is buying other cars to stay alive(such as subaru). And gm is doing what, making 4 cool cars and praying. Good plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboa113 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 dodge is buying other cars to stay alive(such as subaru). woa woa what? did I miss something VERY important? I cant own a dodge product.. "The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj1200 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Guru, did you mean Fiat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 No, i dont mean they arent buying the companies. What i mean is there are dodge dealers buying 08 and 09 fleets of subies from subie dealers and reselling them on there lots aswell as some honda vehicles and a small amount of toyotas. The one that suprised me was don jacobs subie/mitsu, now its just mitsu and they were a pretty big subie dealer around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboa113 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 hrmm.. well I dont live very close to any dodge dealers but I wonder if thats a local thing? thank god.. I dont like toyota having a stake in subaru but dodge having a stake in it is kind of like a guy who was sent to prison for strangling someone getting a job at a rope factory. "The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 hrmm.. well I dont live very close to any dodge dealers but I wonder if thats a local thing? thank god.. I dont like toyota having a stake in subaru but dodge having a stake in it is kind of like a guy who was sent to prison for strangling someone getting a job at a rope factory. Why hes obviously good with ropes, better than the other guy atleast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTuner Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Out of the big 3, they are the only one who hasnt made any real moves to save there ass. Ford sold stock, and is making some nice cars, dodge is buying other cars to stay alive(such as subaru). And gm is doing what, making 4 cool cars and praying. Good plan ....and possibly Fiats, Nissans, etc. They have their heads so far up their asses you cannot see their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well it looks like Saab is officially gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Saab is doing a reconstruction. And GM has purchased all the debts that Saab had, makes it likely that GM is trying to sell Saab. We'll see in a few months - unless GM tanks before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboa113 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I dont think that will happen honestly.. at the cost of all of us in the us maybe.. We can ony hope that after we save their ass the 2nd time from their stupid decisions that they will shape up. Cos you know.. 3 strikes to make a car people actually want.. then you're out. and thats 2 more than they deserve. "The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Intersting read about Saturn. http://www.newsweek.com/id/192458 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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