Infamous1 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 So is a $100k Chevy a step farther leap than $100k Nissan? How much is too much for a particular brand, is there a sliding scale table? So does this mean you would rather spend the $125k on an inferior 911 turbo just because of the badge on the nose? I would.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobY Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Id wish the car wasent such a porker. Then it would really be perfect. No matter how well a car is suspended inertia is a law that can't be broken. It really shows in transitions and responsiveness. Id like to see a production lotus elise with 400 horsepower. That would be just about perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 with the eagle project, you may yet see such a lotus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPLGT Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 So is a $100k Chevy a step farther leap than $100k Nissan? How much is too much for a particular brand, is there a sliding scale table? So does this mean you would rather spend the $125k on an inferior 911 turbo just because of the badge on the nose? Get real! 911 turbo is inferior? Porsche has been making these 'inferior' cars for a long time. You have no clue what you're talking about. Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 More spy shots of it attacking the Ring. Apparently it's going to be 300 lbs lighter (lots of CF) and 550-600 hp. Considering that the present model is advertised at 480 hp, but measures around 450 whp, then it already has 540 hp at the crank. If the Spec V is advertised as 550 - 600 hp, then it will actually be closer to 700 hp Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Get real! 911 turbo is inferior? Porsche has been making these 'inferior' cars for a long time. You have no clue what you're talking about. I think he's refering to the fact that the GTR is faster, so making it superior, or making the 911 inferior, whichever way you look at it. Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPLGT Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Whichever way you look at it the 911 turbo is not inferior to a one-off Nissan that has barely been produced. Porsche has been producing World Class sports cars for 50 years and there is no way this Nissan is superior to a 911 turbo. There are always cars that can out 0-60, out top end, out brake ( only a few) and out handle not NONE can do all as well as a whole. If you think that is the case, you have no clue. Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Whichever way you look at it the 911 turbo is not inferior to a one-off Nissan that has barely been produced. Porsche has been producing World Class sports cars for 50 years and there is no way this Nissan is superior to a 911 turbo. There are always cars that can out 0-60, out top end, out brake ( only a few) and out handle not NONE can do all as well as a whole. If you think that is the case, you have no clue. So combine the acceleration, braking, and handling tests into one, would you say that was a fair comparison ? Then drive around the Nurburgring as fast as you can, and see which one is fastest, now who hasn't got a clue http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=122724 Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobY Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 The problem with the 911 turbo is that the engine is in the wrong end of the car. Without ESP Throttle Lift = Tail Forward. I don't like cars with that kind of "natural" balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Vspec lapped the 'ring faster than Walter Rohl in a Carerra GT 7:25!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Whichever way you look at it the 911 turbo is not inferior to a one-off Nissan that has barely been produced. Porsche has been producing World Class sports cars for 50 years and there is no way this Nissan is superior to a 911 turbo. There are always cars that can out 0-60, out top end, out brake ( only a few) and out handle not NONE can do all as well as a whole. If you think that is the case, you have no clue. Seriously, do you even know what the GT-R is capable of? The regular GT-R laps the Nürburgring, German's own uber-track, in 7:38. Guess what 911 turbo runs the Ring in? 2 seconds slower. A car that can't outperform the 911 turbo in meaningful ways will not be able to beat it by 2 sec on that track. And as the previous post just pointed out the GT-R Spec V prototype was just clocked at 7:25 around the Ring, 3 seconds faster than Porsche's own super car Carrera GT. Different condition and bench racing aside, it's a very capable machine in every way. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/ One-Off? Nissan expects to sell 2500 GT-R's the first year and 1500 GT-R's a year after that in the US. It's not one of those British small car company that makes 5 cars a year. The Skyline GT-R history traces back to the '60's and the current interpretation of twin-turbo AWD configuration started with the '89 R32. Nissan also has been making world class sports cars since the '70 240Z. Both the GT-R and Z have been very successful in the motorsport, they are certainly not some one-off prototype built by some company that doesn't know a thing about sports car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 The problem with the 911 turbo is that the engine is in the wrong end of the car. Without ESP Throttle Lift = Tail Forward. I don't like cars with that kind of "natural" balance. My favorite description of the 911 is "the ultimate perfection of a bad idea". Even Porsche realizes that and that's where Cayman comes in. If you put 911's 3.6L in the Cayman it will be a more capable machine than the 911 Carrera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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