edkwon Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 my 08 spec b makes a lot more power than my 05 lgt. 08 spec b dyno'd 219whp/244tq and my 05 lgt dyno'd 185whp/210tq on the exact same dyno. the 05 lgt got a stage 2 and custom dyno tune, made 238/248. I expect my 08 to dyno 270/290 (stg2 + dyno tune), but we'll see once the protuner software is released. thats a pretty glaring discrepancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005garnetGT Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 methinks the dyno was recalibrated between 05 and 08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 His 05' was a 5eat, no comparison.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 His 05' was a 5eat, no comparison.... i dont understand the connection btwn 5EAT and lower hp figures, please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyan Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Auto's inherently dyno lower because of higher drivetrain loss, and the torque converter slipping and masking some of the numbers. Mod for mod, and on the same dyno/day/fuel/atmospheric conditions, an equivelantly modded 5MT will show more power on the dyno than a 5EAT. However, even when the dyno chart is identical, the 5EAT/Torque Converters ability to mask some lag isn't always shown Mike SoCal Duck Hunters Club - Unit 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Boostjunkie has tuned a few cars but is not a tuner Sorry Paul But I do agree that 07-08 are making close to stg 1 05-06 LGT's whp. Probally the big reason most 07-08 owners aren't noticing much change (powerwise) from the AP's stage 1 mapping. Couldn't agree with you more about the tuner part. I have indeed tuned a few cars, but I am not a tuner per se. I'm really just gaining experience right now. I hate to admit it as a Subaru guy, but I'm far more comfortable tuning Evo's right now than Subarus. Anyways, from the cars I have seen on the dyno, the 07+ cars are stronger from the factory than the 05-06 cars. They fall a little short of Stage 1 05-06 LGT power, but are reasonably close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 However, even when the dyno chart is identical, the 5EAT/Torque Converters ability to mask some lag isn't always shown Mike Was that my cue to show the dyno graphs of your car versus mine? Here they are: First both cars graphed versus rpm (as we are used to seeing). Mine is a 5MT running pump gas only, Mike's is a 5EAT running pump plus methanol injection. Both cars have plenty of mods. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/Pisadong/PaulversusMike.jpg Remarkably similar peak numbers and area under the curve. Here are the same run files graphed versus time. What this means is if we both floored it at the same time, even though we are making the same power and spooling the same on the dyno, Mike would leave me in the dust and I'd never catch him. Granted, it's a bit of an odd race since I'd never just floor it at 2000rpm, but the graph does illustrate clearly how the 5EAT's largely mask lag on the street: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/Pisadong/PaulversusMike-Time.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Couldn't agree with you more about the tuner part. I have indeed tuned a few cars, but I am not a tuner per se. I'm really just gaining experience right now. I hate to admit it as a Subaru guy, but I'm far more comfortable tuning Evo's right now than Subarus. Tuner in training but master installer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyan Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Tuner in training but master installer.... bah! SoCal Duck Hunters Club - Unit 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyan Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Was that my cue to show the dyno graphs of your car versus mine? Here they are: First both cars graphed versus rpm (as we are used to seeing). Mine is a 5MT running pump gas only, Mike's is a 5EAT running pump plus methanol injection. Both cars have plenty of mods. I was waiting to see Ed's reply before posting it, but thanks! It'd only be a race till my tranny blows up SoCal Duck Hunters Club - Unit 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmross Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 There is no such thing as a "stage 1". Don't believe the FAQ. It's all just words in your heads. There is no spoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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