Drew888 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Started to hate driving my Spec-B with the stutter and now love it again. Huge difference!! I'm at stg1 91 and can't wait to go stg 2! [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1586"VbGallery/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondgraymetallic21 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Stage 1 completely fixed my studderrrrrrrrrrrr. And as for "bad drivers" mine had it the day I got it. I thought I didn't know how to drive the car, then soon realized it wasn't me, it was the car, felt like fuel was being cut. So I took it back to the dealer right away and they said it was turbo lag. Obviously it wasn't, it was already in boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 I just installed my new AP stage 1 today. I didn't notice any substantial increase in power (I wasn't expecting to at Stage 1, and that's not why I bought the thing), but it did seem to completely cure the stutter... gone without a trace! Of course, I noted the same result the day I got my factory ECU reflash, and the stutter came back, so I'll refrain on voting in the poll for a couple hundred miles, until I'm sure it's a permanent fix. If it did indeed cure the stutter, then it was worth every penny I paid for it, though I would of course have preferred not to have to pay for something that shouldn't have needed non-warranty fixing in the first place... Anyway, good job Cobb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrunone Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 oops....got a bit of stutter today on stg1....hopefully it wont get worse...but it was pretty slight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 oops....got a bit of stutter today on stg1....hopefully it wont get worse...but it was pretty slight Uh oh... how many miles now since you installed stage 1? Maybe the solution is going to be to keep reflashing the base map every couple of weeks, to clear out all the ECU "learning" that's fouling up the nice pure Cobb base map! I sure hope not. I'm starting to think that the Subie ECU's have a learning disability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrunone Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Uh oh... how many miles now since you installed stage 1? Maybe the solution is going to be to keep reflashing the base map every couple of weeks, to clear out all the ECU "learning" that's fouling up the nice pure Cobb base map! I sure hope not. I'm starting to think that the Subie ECU's have a learning disability. about...i dunno....500 miles? it was maybe 2.5 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Wait... according to this poll, 33% of all 07/08 LGT owners have never driven their car. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiropractor2be Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Any updates on AP clearing out the studder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fonts Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I've got about 5,000 km since stage II. No issues at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubien Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I never had the studder and I still don't have the studder at stg1. My car only has 1500 miles though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecBee Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I would say that it does come back after a while. I need to do a reflash to see if it goes away again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 After reading what people are asking about the stutter on the "Is Stage I Worth it for the '07's" thread, I thought it was about time to resurrect this old thread of mine, and I can now add my own results to the poll. After several hundred miles on my Stage 1 install, I can definitely say that my stutter is completely gone. For that result alone, it was worth the purchase price of the AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 After several hundred miles on my Stage 1 install, I can definitely say that my stutter is completely gone. For that result alone, it was worth the purchase price of the AP. Thanks for the input! I look forward to tax returns lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08leggy Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Big difference in stutter reduction and less turbo lag which also causes a bit of hesitation from stage 1. It will stutter ever now and then to a point that is extremely hard to notice unless you are watching the RPM Gage. Before it was so bad that my passengers could feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFromPA Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Just to throw in my .02 on an 08 LGT (I'm not participating in the poll at this time). It is still in break-in, but I've done plenty of 80-100% throttle pulls from 3000-4000 on the highway. I have yet to feel a studder or anything noticeable in that rpm range....it's smooth and linear at that point, with only minor turbo lag at 3000 or so. My 08 LGT was bought on March 29th and was produced on like March 20th (I placed the order on March 11th and got a partial VIN 9 days later!). Joe Edit: Oh yeah, and I'm a car nazi...I notice every vibration with my car and feel it's falling apart. So it's not like I'm blind to stuff like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishingFiend Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 07 with 2000+ miles since my flash and I still have stutter. Nowhere near as bad as preflash, but still there. Most noticeable in 4th gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 07 LGT with 5MT - Stage 1 Still have the stutter, but not as bad as preflash. Mine is most noticeable in 2nd gear. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Update: according to this poll, 25% of all 07/08 LGT owners have never driven their car. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LGT-NY Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Just went stage II a few weeks ago, I got a pro tune and still have some stuttering when I'm really getting on it. If I press the pedal about half way down, the power band is very smooth. But as soon as I floor it, the momentary bogg down is still there although it is not as prenounced as it was before the tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vader1 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 1000 miles on stage 1. Happens occasionally. Usually when "rolling" into flooring it. If I were to "launch" (and my idea of a launch is pretty conservative) and then put it down from a stop it goes pretty good. It stutter a little when I go from part throttle to full, but not nearly as bad as before, and not all the time. Note to Subaru: Have someone else redesign your ecu, your design is a piece of crap. I like the rest of the car, but your engine management is outdone by most of the rest of the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoRilla Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 AP didnt change my stutter really. Still crappy. Maryland's Suby friendly Realtor. My favorite suby shop: http://www.IAGPerformance.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpgspecb Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 why does this question keep getting asked, the dealer will fix it for free, and it will not come back, if it does, then you have other issues you need to address with your car. its a ecu related issue, not a mechanical issue with the motor, why pay $700 to fix it when the dealer will for free. sorry for the rant, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTATV Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 doesnt disconnecting the battery for a few minutes reset the ECU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 why does this question keep getting asked, the dealer will fix it for free, and it will not come back, if it does, then you have other issues you need to address with your car. its a ecu related issue, not a mechanical issue with the motor, why pay $700 to fix it when the dealer will for free. sorry for the rant, I've had my car into the dealer five times in the last year. They have reflashed it three of those time with the newest map available. Last attempt was three weeks ago. I was told there are no newer maps coming out from Subaru. Each map the dealer put in made the car run progressivly worse and decreased my fuel mileage on average 3 MPG by the time they were done. They could find no other problems with the car. I like my car too much to get rid of it and planned to go to stage 2 plus TMIC with a protune. Everyone I've talked to has been sucessfull with totally eliminating the stutter with stage 2 with a protune and picked up some good HP doing so. The AP is needed to go this route, that's why I purchased it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpgspecb Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I've had my car into the dealer five times in the last year. They have reflashed it three of those time with the newest map available. Last attempt was three weeks ago. I was told there are no newer maps coming out from Subaru. Each map the dealer put in made the car run progressivly worse and decreased my fuel mileage on average 3 MPG by the time they were done. They could find no other problems with the car. I like my car too much to get rid of it and planned to go to stage 2 plus TMIC with a protune. Everyone I've talked to has been sucessfull with totally eliminating the stutter with stage 2 with a protune and picked up some good HP doing so. The AP is needed to go this route, that's why I purchased it. sorry but i find that hard to believe, its a known issue right from factory, you definatly need a 2nd opinion from another dealership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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