john_knoxville Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 correct me if i'm wrong, but i think an auto transmission (any auto transmission) requires a complete rebuild/replacement at around 100-120K miles. this is never, ever brought up in these auto vs. manual debates (especially by the 5eat owners). seeing as the OP currently owns an 8, 11 and 49 yr old vehicle, this may be something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wukindada Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 True but most MT performance cars have gone through 3 clutches by 120k...... Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 correct me if i'm wrong, but i think an auto transmission (any auto transmission) requires a complete rebuild/replacement at around 100-120K miles. Hard on equipment aren't we? It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 True but most MT performance cars have gone through 3 clutches by 120k...... Three? Try 5 clutches the way some of the guys on this forum drive. It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milla Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I'm looking into a manual purely because im tired of driving an automatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Power Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 My 91 Legacy and 266k on original tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimy101 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 correct me if i'm wrong, but i think an auto transmission (any auto transmission) requires a complete rebuild/replacement at around 100-120K miles. this is never, ever brought up in these auto vs. manual debates (especially by the 5eat owners). seeing as the OP currently owns an 8, 11 and 49 yr old vehicle, this may be something to think about. Change up your ATF every 30k miles to synthetic and change out the tranny filter every 60k and your AET will probably never fail. Want to be even more anal? Install a tranny cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wukindada Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 ^ on a modded car 20-25k;) Tranny filter every other change Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimy101 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 ^ Yep. The tranny filter is often overlooked especially by dealerships who only want to get the car through the warranty period and then sell you a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 So did the OP ever decide on what transmission or what? he went strangely silent after we took this thread into a tangent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prof555 Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Strangely silent? What the hell does that mean. Truth be known Im a CPA and a bit busy this time of year. I also have not had the chance to drive a manual turbo yet so I wont make any decision until I do. Im absorbing all the info from everyone who has responded, and I do appreciate it. As to my preference, almost all of my everyday cars have been manual transmissions. My 99 is not, my Z and my corvette are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edkwon Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Strangely silent? What the hell does that mean. Truth be known Im a CPA and a bit busy this time of year. My apoligizes, it just seemed like all the conflicting debate and information scared you off and this thread took a life of its own independent of the original poster's question. if you have a strong manual preference and enjoy driving manual like many drivers do, then get the 5MT for sure, once you get that, there are many cheap, easy to install short shifter kits that really tighten up the throws. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikers Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I'll get us back on topic :-) All of my cars have been stick...all 6 of them (and I'm only 27). My last car was on it's way out and I knew I wanted a Subaru so I went out to buy one intending on getting an '09 Legacy 2.5i SE 5MT. I drove one and it drove like crap (I think this thing was a dud). Drove another and it was pure fun. THEN the dealer says hey I'll sell you a brand new '08 Legacy Limted with all of the options for the same price ($20k). Needless to say I'm driving around in my brand new '08 missing the joy of a MT, but I just turn on the heated leather seats and it makes me feel better :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yeah, I think my dad is gonna keep his 3 series cause he still wants to drive stick, but I don't think he wants to purchase a new car that is stick and then have to keep it for awhile. Unless its a Vette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGT Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I thought the AT was pretty good but my GT flies with the MT and the fun it supplies makes the stop and go worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragonV09 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Im gonna end up buying an LGT with the 5eat... Ive owned manual since 2003 and Im ******* tired of driving it in traffic. Im gonna leave the stick to the track car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmay2 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 On the auto/manual debate, many people forget that computers and high tech equipment can shift faster than a human. Shift kits and reprogramming does wonders for an automatic and almost always exceeds the speed of a manual. Reliability is null, as manual clutches fail more often than auto trannies, evening it out. Especially when buying used, the car as a whole is more likely to have been abused if equipped with manual transmission. (age being the underlying factor- older owners tend to go for smooth autos, immature kids tend to go for "Race manual!" I say auto unless you absolutely have to have a shaft and ball in your hand when driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandman Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 // Ive been told that I will LOVE the automatic in the new GT, that there really isnt much performance difference between it and the standard shift car and that the clutch action in the new car is a PIA. Quite frankly Ive been too busy to drive either one; I plan on doing so shortly but I thought I might get some feedback from owners of current GTs. Thanks. I'm driving a manual WRX in Boston traffic and while it isn't always fun, it isn't onerous. I also have a 3.0R OBW with 5EAT and it's a nice combo and tows well. Personally I think a turbo with 5EAT is a poor choice. The 3.0R is much better suited to an automatic. You can get some idea of the performance delta by looking at the Subaru Australia website. The specs of the cars are a bit different than in the US (I believe the manual has a higher numerical final drive in the US probably because of the influence of drag racing), but they are official #'s. http://www.subaru.com.au/models/liberty/ Liberty 2.5GT SpecB 5EAT: 0-100kmh 7.0 seconds. 6 spd, 6.5s. There's one other factor to consider. Subaru charges around $1,000 for a 5spd automatic. A lot of people can't drive manuals these days. So because they cost less new and have more limited demand, you might get a better deal on a manual. Or not: they can be hard to find without a lot of miles on them. Who Dares Wins スバル Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmay2 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I'm only finding about 1 manual per 6 automatics here in Arizona... Not seeing much of an asking price difference though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belo Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 correct me if i'm wrong, but i think an auto transmission (any auto transmission) requires a complete rebuild/replacement at around 100-120K miles. this is never, ever brought up in these auto vs. manual debates (especially by the 5eat owners). seeing as the OP currently owns an 8, 11 and 49 yr old vehicle, this may be something to think about. that's not true at all. Like any car part, some stuff fails at 120k miles. Some stuff doesn't. Depends on how you treat her and a little bit of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaMax Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 As I am and will all ways be an avid stick fan. It was damn near impossable to find an 05/06 LGT wagon in stick. So I went out and found a 5EAT LGT wagon and from driving cars a lot(repo man) I will have to say that the 5EAT impressed me to the point that I said eh screw the stick I can have the best of both worlds anyway with the manumatic shift. The tranny on this car is just as fun as the ones in the 911 I drove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 MT wagons are indeed a rare sight to behold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Change up your ATF every 30k miles to synthetic and change out the tranny filter every 60k and your AET will probably never fail. Want to be even more anal? Install a tranny cooler. x10 I also drive a 2000 Dodge Durango that now has 120k miles. These are known to have a notoriously finicky AT. With a filter/fluid change every 30k and a tranny cooler from the start this tranny has never given me any issues. Maybe I "GOT A GOOD ONE" but this tranny/Durango has towed 8000lb boats from California to Virginia and back numerous times. It has trailered more than a few cars and motorcycles through every type of weather and condition, across several countries. I suppose it could die tomorrow but I am a x10 for the filter/fluids/tranny cooler. LaLGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimy101 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 x10 I also drive a 2000 Dodge Durango that now has 120k miles. These are known to have a notoriously finicky AT. With a filter/fluid change every 30k and a tranny cooler from the start this tranny has never given me any issues. Maybe I "GOT A GOOD ONE" but this tranny/Durango has towed 8000lb boats from California to Virginia and back numerous times. It has trailered more than a few cars and motorcycles through every type of weather and condition, across several countries. I suppose it could die tomorrow but I am a x10 for the filter/fluids/tranny cooler. LaLGTWe sold my wife's 97 Concord (yuck but roomy) with 183k on it a couple of years ago to the cousin of a family down the street. We still see it every Sunday after have coming from a far flung burb. Meticulous adherence to the OEM maintenance intervals and the thing is still going. Got over 30 mpg to boot with that small 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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