Flu Shots anyone?

[Guinnesspower]

Hopefully you won't catch any of those for your sake...I'd much rather be immunized than go through a serious illness that could be prevented. How did you get into school as a kid? Aren't kids required to have immunizations? What about travelling abroad?

Thankyou for the kind wishes...when was the last time you saw an outbreak of pertussis, mumps, rubella, etc? How about your own immune system? Do you want to compromise it early in life by subjecting it to diseases? School was taken care of by using a religious factor. There are ways around immunizations and there is alot of information out there on them, both pros and cons. Like with anything in life, you have pros and cons...Doctors, Lawyers, Cops, etc...Never had trouble traveling abroad and never been to a place where I would possibly need one (parts of Africa, South America, etc). Do a google search on the adverse side effects on immunizations and the harm that they cause infants and young children in childhood into later years of life. Good book also "A Shot in the Dark"...not sure of the author...MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy New Year!

[silverfool]

there is a resurgence of pertussis in people vaccinated in the 70's as their immunity wanes. many physicians are recommending revax, esp for those parents of young kids.

 

there was a significant outbreak of mumps last year in Idaho and neighboring states.

 

yeah, i do want to subject my immune system to diseases early. their is a lot of compelling mainstream literature to support the formation of a healthy immune response. any student of immunology can tell you that exposure to attenuated pathogens can allow for elaboration of the library of antibodies you can form.

 

i'd love to see documented evidence of real and lasting "harm" that vaccines do. the reason why there are not more outbreaks of these illnesses is that people whom refuse to get the vaccines are usually surrounded by those that did and therefore benefit (i.e. herd immunity) from what others have done.

[Guinnesspower]

HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES

 

- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)

- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)

- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)

- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )

- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)

- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

-The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

- In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)

- In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)

- In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

- In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

- On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Report by Michael Devitt)

[Guinnesspower]

[Fat Charlie]

Aaaaaagh! My eye!

[silverfool]

cuckoo

cuckoo

[Guinnesspower]

Hey man, thats cool...I just gave you some facts that you asked for...I didn't do the research. It was done by some top medical journals...The Lancet and JAMA to name a few. And remember, I didn't call you cuckoo (or anything else for that matter) for accepting immunizations as being good...be careful...

[silverfool]

factoids can be misconstrued when taken out of context.

is there a possibility that even if there were half a million adverse events (and please bear in mind that the definition of adverse events is by intention very broad for legal protective purposes) that maybe, just maybe, 10's of millions of children have benefitted from being vaccinated?

Some of the most effective medicines we use have knowingly caused deaths. you can look up the morbidity and mortality related to any cardiac medications, cite how many people it's killed inadvertently and then appear to have done everyone a huge public service. The question is, how many did it save?

 

much like i said earlier, this thread reminds me of the "i don't wear seatbelts" thread. I betcha hundreds, hell, maybe thousands of people have been killed by seatbelts. there was a whole ordeal about all the people killed by airbags back when they used to explode open at a ridiculous rate...but man, i can easily tell you, i will wear my seatbelt, buy a car with airbags, and get vaccinated every time. but i'm gullible like that.

 

sorry bout the cuckoo. shoulda put a smiley afterwards. this whole internet thing kinda kills tone.

[coxx]

maybe I shoulda got one . I've been super-sick all week I still say let the old folks & kids get em 1st

[Garandman]

I just had a physical and when I asked about it the [subaru-owning] doctor said there's no shortage this year and they recommend everyone gets it. Even WRX owners:lol:.

 

As I have three school-age kids, I thought it prudent. The shot took a few seconds and had no side effects.

 

I had a very bad case of flu years ago - in bed for a week, etc - I'll take the shot anyday.

[Guinnesspower]

factoids can be misconstrued when taken out of context.

is there a possibility that even if there were half a million adverse events (and please bear in mind that the definition of adverse events is by intention very broad for legal protective purposes) that maybe, just maybe, 10's of millions of children have benefitted from being vaccinated?

Some of the most effective medicines we use have knowingly caused deaths. you can look up the morbidity and mortality related to any cardiac medications, cite how many people it's killed inadvertently and then appear to have done everyone a huge public service. The question is, how many did it save?

 

much like i said earlier, this thread reminds me of the "i don't wear seatbelts" thread. I betcha hundreds, hell, maybe thousands of people have been killed by seatbelts. there was a whole ordeal about all the people killed by airbags back when they used to explode open at a ridiculous rate...but man, i can easily tell you, i will wear my seatbelt, buy a car with airbags, and get vaccinated every time. but i'm gullible like that.

 

sorry bout the cuckoo. shoulda put a smiley afterwards. this whole internet thing kinda kills tone.

No problem...no offense taken at all!

[Tam2007]

Work used to give us flu shots every year, and every year I would get the flu. I would also always feel kind of crappy for most of the year and I would usually get any virus that was floating around.

I stopped getting the shot and I haven't had the flu or been sick since (knock on wood). I haven't really made any other drastic life changes.

Could be a coincidence, but I know I’m not planning on getting one again.

[Gire]

last year my daughter caught influenza 2 and it was a really scary deal. She was 2 at the time. really high temps and other problems for a week. She didn't get the shot last year.

 

 

I only know it was influenza 2 (the "big" flu virus in Canada last year) as the health dept. gave us the results of her hospital tests a few months later.

 

 

This year my whole family got the shots. Can't hurt, and it didn't cost us anything.

 

 

I laugh when people say, "Whoa, I was home sick with the flu yesterday..."

People think the common cold (cough, congestion, low energy, etc) and the flu are interchangeable.

 

No way. If you actually get influenza, you know it.

[Tocsin]

I don't think I've ever had a flu shot. But I don't think I've ever had the flu either....

[Tam2007]

Agreed, I think when you get the real "flu" you'll definitely know it, especially for younger children and the elderly.

Just a little scary these days. A new vaccine comes out every year. How much testing can you do on something in just under 1 year? I’ve been hearing a lot of side-effects occurring in a small minority. Allergic reactions, being paralyzed, going blind, even death. These may only occur in a small percentage, but until I turn 65 I think I’ll take my chances with the flu.

I think everyone should be able to decide for themselves.

P.S. I wear my seatbelt.

[Gire]

The WHO aquires flu data from all over the world throughout the year, then they make their best-case guess as to what the most virulent strain will be in the upcoming year, for each country/ region.

 

Then, vaccines are produced to combat this strain. If a new strain pops up that they didn't plan for... then the flu shot that was produced will have little effect.

 

 

(my mother is a city health nurse)

[laz]

I got the flu once when the vaccine was scarce. Would not like to wish that to anyone. It was bad for a week and a half.

 

Now a days I am just getting a mild case of "seberry-ism", I wonder if there is a vaccine for that!

 

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