zzdoc Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 For what it's worth, I asked the service manager at the local dealership to check the Subaru part numbers for the backing plates (dust shields) on the 2005 XT and the 2005 LGT. The part numbers are identical so I presume that the parts are the same. By the way, does anyone know what the difference is between the brake lines on the LGT and the XT. I'm going ahead with swapping the brakes on my Outback for a LGT set but already have SS brake lines. If I remember correctly from the original SS line threads the Outback couldn't use the LGT lines but it had more to do with routing than the length of the final line to the caliper. I'm hoping that I don't have to change them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 For what it's worth, I asked the service manager at the local dealership to check the Subaru part numbers for the backing plates (dust shields) on the 2005 XT and the 2005 LGT. The part numbers are identical so I presume that the parts are the same. By the way, does anyone know what the difference is between the brake lines on the LGT and the XT. I'm going ahead with swapping the brakes on my Outback for a LGT set but already have SS brake lines. If I remember correctly from the original SS line threads the Outback couldn't use the LGT lines but it had more to do with routing than the length of the final line to the caliper. I'm hoping that I don't have to change them again. There was another member interested in the swap I did, so here's an excerpt of the emails we were sending back and forth that's relevant to your questions below. The dust shields ARE close, but I think that's the way they are supposed to be, you can bend the front ones a little bit so that they dish in towards the car, giving you a little more room. Here's the excerpt: "Anyhow, regarding the dust shields, I thought I would have to take them off, too, but it turns out they fit perfectly. The front shields don't come over the caliper, they just go straight up the inside edge, so clearance is not an issue. The rear ones do come over, but they are tall enough to accomodate the OEM LGT rear rotor. I suspect that Subaru just wanted to stamp one piece to fit all the legacy and outbacks, so they made it to the largest size. In regards to the brake lines, yes, I just used a stainless line set labeled for 05+ LGT's. There were 6 pieces in the set and 6 "soft" rubber lines on my car (07 Outback XT). One in the front, and two for each wheel in the rear. It the rear it went: The first "soft line" connected the "hard line" chassis to the control arm, then went to another hard line along the control arm. Then it went back to a soft line to connect the control arm hard line to the caliper. They probably use the same parts and just labeled the package differently. I suspect that LGT and Outbacks use the same brake line configuration since everything else is the same (master cyliner volume, caliper bolts, brake lines, capcacity, abs system, dust shields, etc...) Everything else went in great! I really think everything is the same, except the caliper, rotor and brake pads." I may put up some pics for ya'll if I get a couple people interested, but they are on my memory card at home. -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 outback brake lines should be a little bit longer due too the raised suspension. My rear lines are TIGHT with the LGT caliper and Racing Brake kit. I have SS lines marked for OBXT My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 outback brake lines should be a little bit longer due too the raised suspension. My rear lines are TIGHT with the LGT caliper and Racing Brake kit. I have SS lines marked for OBXT which ones? the caliper to control arm or control arm to chassis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 control arm to chasis mine are tight at the caliper though My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 thanks, I'll take a peek at them again, but I don't remember them being tight at all when the wheel was at full droop while I was working on it... but can't be too sure with brakes... thanks again for the heads up. -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 the difference is probably less than an inch My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Any confirmation on the difference on brake line length? -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 They may very well be different lengths, but I checked my lengths and they don't tug on them, even at full droop, however, I am on MR coilovers, so the droop isn't as far as stock.... i probably won't go back and change them, but if I were to do it agian, I'd probably get the OBXT specific brake lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f85stealth Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 if anyone is still following this thread i have entire brake system for 06 LGT if anyone is interested lets talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 If anyone is still following this thread, I took them out for 6 sessions of 20 min apiece @ Laguna Seca yesterday. They held up marvelously. They actually got better as they got hotter, requiring less pedal pressure. I credit that to the pads warming up to their intended "track" temperature. I didn't get the rotors over any of the temperature markings that come on DBA 4000 rotors. I was only braking at 7 or 8/10's most of the day but even on a couple really hard consecutive hard stops (9/10's) they didn't fade at all. I think this will be ok for a while until I need more stop, but first I need more go. In other opinion: damn the outback feels soooo heavy on the track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzdoc Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Copycat Project - I finally had LGT calipers, DBA 4000 series rotors and Hawk HPS brake pads installed on my 2005 Outback XT last week. For those who care, I already had SS Techna-fit brake lines and they work perfectly with the LGT calipers. This pretty much finishes the mechanical work that I'll be doing to the car and I have to agree with Dasbigunit that larger brakes make a substantial difference in the feel of the car. If anyone is contemplating this project I would highly recommend that they get in touch with Eric at Brakeswap for the rotors, pads and lines. His pricing was excellent and he was more than helpful when one of the parcels got lost in the postal system. The combination of DBA rotors and Hawk pads seems to be pretty much perfect for street use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eVoMotion Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 thanks for the info. I keep thinking about this. I need to start buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I have a set of fronts and rear rotors. Almost new if someone needs them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 What's the difference between LGT and OB calipers? I know that the LGT calipers must mount further away from the hub (to clear the bigger rotors), but is the caliper different, or just the mounting bracket? Those of us who own lesser Imprezas can easily upgrade our brakes to WRX-spec rotors by just replacing the mounting bracket, because the caliper is otherwise exactly the same. Is the same true of the LGT and OB brakes? I checked part numbers at http://www.subarupartsforyou.com, and all the 2005+ Legacies and OBs seem to have the same calipers: part #s 26292AG041 (right) and 26292AG041 (left). Am I wrong? I want to do this upgrade, but I don't want to have to pay for new calipers just like the ones I've already got when I really just need the mounting brackets and new rotors. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Their site may have an error. I remember looking this up and finding two part numbers. I also remember holding the LGT calipers up to the OBXT ones when I did the swap and that they were different. But I could be wrong. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 When I did it, the calipers bolted up just fine to the stock brackets on the front and rear w/o an adapter or anything. The body of the caliper just is longer and sits further away from the hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby2.5 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Well, they bolted on fine, both dust shields are fine to retain, too. I now use: 05+ LGT Front and Rear Calipers, DBA 4000 Brake Rotors for 05+ LGT's Front and Rear (The rear is vented now.) EBC Yellow Stuff Pads for 05+ LGT's Front and Rear Stainless lines for 05+ LGT Front and Rear ATE Super Blue DOT4 Fluid. Piece of cake, just took a while.... These are the brakes that should have coem with the OBXT. What did this cost you to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 You're right, mwiener2, the calipers MUST be different, because both the front and rear LGT rotors are thicker than those on my OB XT (say the specs in the vacation pix). Saving my SubaruBucks, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Well, if someone in Orlando or at least Florida want both fronts and rears (rotors) I would gladly sell them for almost nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasbigunit Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 What did this cost you to do this? 05+ LGT Front and Rear Calipers - I got lucky on this got them for $40+shipping DBA 4000 Brake Rotors for 05+ LGT's Front and Rear (The rear is vented now.) I got them from Import Image Online for $475 for all 4. EBC Yellow Stuff Pads for 05+ LGT's Front and Rear ~$200 for all 4 pairs. Stainless lines for 05+ LGT Front and Rear - I got them on the FS boards here at lgt.com, forgot the price. ATE Super Blue DOT4 Fluid. ~$14 from rallysportdirect.com so.... about $900 total. I will add that after about 10k miles, that these pads are really easy on the rotors, i have no idea how they do it, they work well on the track, and don't wear the rotors. They do dust about the same amount as stock pads, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby2.5 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 05+ LGT Front and Rear Calipers - I got lucky on this got them for $40+shipping DBA 4000 Brake Rotors for 05+ LGT's Front and Rear (The rear is vented now.) I got them from Import Image Online for $475 for all 4. EBC Yellow Stuff Pads for 05+ LGT's Front and Rear ~$200 for all 4 pairs. Stainless lines for 05+ LGT Front and Rear - I got them on the FS boards here at lgt.com, forgot the price. ATE Super Blue DOT4 Fluid. ~$14 from rallysportdirect.com so.... about $900 total. I will add that after about 10k miles, that these pads are really easy on the rotors, i have no idea how they do it, they work well on the track, and don't wear the rotors. They do dust about the same amount as stock pads, though. Thanks for the rundown. How is this setup working for you and do you have any opinions on how you think they would do against say the 04 STI brembos? Or These http://www.thekingofparts.com/servlet/Detail?no=46 http://www.thekingofparts.com/servlet/Detail?no=387 Anybody have a list like this to convert to Brembos front and rear including the wheels size and offset you would need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayoutwest Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 If anyone is selling a complete LGT setup (calipers/rotors/brackets), PM me... I need new brakes soon! Even better if the rotors/pads are upgraded. Have $$$ ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05 Outback 2.5i Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Okay, I have no turbo under the hood, but I can still appreciate changes that significantly impact brake and suspension improvements. I've been interested in the idea of upgrading the braking performance of our 2.5i wagon, but I want to stay with the 16" wheels, so I'm pretty sure that rules out the LGT rotors, right? What about WRX brake components? Didn't the '06 WRX come with the 'Subaru' four pot cast calipers on the front and two pot on the rear, and 16" wheels? I looked in DBA's North American Catalog and the part numbers for 4000 series slotted rotors are the same for the 2002-2006 WRX and the '05 Outback 2.5i (P/N 4650SL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadgm07 Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 just switching to a better street pad like Hawk HPS and plain Brembo sport rotors will increase braking performance and still allow 16" wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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