The Don Posted May 17, 2006 Author Share Posted May 17, 2006 Just got it back today... they said couldnt find anything wrong with it... but its good/bad...good that if some thing comes upo broken the will fix it.. bad- something may be broken.. if that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 grrr.. you know I threw a CEL after the first time this happened. I cleared it as the AP didn't say anything (it doesn't read a lot of stuff, *cough* EGT *cough*).. I keep hoping it will pop up again.. Offtopic - I have an ABS error code, yet there is no CEL or ABS light. Ugh, I bet the car covers up a lot of errors like that :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Is Ethanol additive supposed to hurt performance or increase it? Along with the hard starts and change in exhaust note... I've noticed that it studders at some points, even though I'm running the TDC 0 studder map! I've had 0 problems with it until a few weeks ago. My average MPG has been around 23. It is usually around 26, but maybe this is because of the new wheels I have on my car. I'm running TDC Stage 1 right now. The new ethanol mix is thanx to Mr. Bush and the congress. Methanol has less energy than Gasoline thus MPG will fall. Sooo, we grow corn using petroleum fertilizers, maintain and harvest it using petroleum fueled machinery, Process it using a petroleum based electric grid and then ship it it TRUCKS to the refinery (because it cannot be distributed in pipe lines) where it is mixed with gasoline. ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!! "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Welcome to a country run by a government that thinks it knows better. I agree that it is stupid. What ever happened to the "free" in free market economics? Went the way of our personal freedoms, too, I would suppose. Free as long as the government doesn't decide otherwise. Constitution and Bill of Rights are evidently to be ignored at their leisure. But the way I understand it, Ethanol (grain alcohol, also used in liquor vs. Methanol/Methyl Alcohol is wood-based alcohol, and poisonous for human consumption) has a higher octane rating, as it is not as easily combustible as gasoline, but also does not contain as much inherent energy, so also provides less "power" when burned, thus the mixture usually needs to be richened a bit, and thus less fuel economy, regardless of the higher octane rating. Petroleum, and gasoline specifically, is one of the most potent, and efficient fuels available. THAT is why it is used. If gasoline weren't such a good fuel, we would already be using ethanol, or some other source; determined by demand, not some idiot lawyer lawmakers. Other than plastics, what other use does petroleum have? It isn't as if we are saving it for some other higher purpose than fueling our economy and standard of living, but rather just to please the environmentalist political agenda, which also dictates that we can't establish our own petroleum sources, and must be beholden to outside interests that are often at distinct and complete odds with us. (i.e. OPEC, Venezuela, Mexico... and so on) It also kills me that the government and environmentalist lobby is SO absolutely concerned with automotive emissions. They account for 3% or less of the total "emissions" into the environment. Automobiles as a collective genre are by far not the worst offenders, just the easiest targets, and this issue can be foisted on the unsuspecting public, without causing damage to other industries, or other countries like India and China (exempted from the beloved Kyoto treaty, BTW) that pollute much more on a per-polluter basis, and are growing faster. One of my favorite sayings: "I'm pro-Global Warming. Without it, we'd still be under an ice-age glacier!" the "scientists" still can't prove that global warming exists as a trend as their models are often proven wrong, and can't even be used to get current conditions based on past data. They can't establish a trend, rather than just a year-over-year variance, let alone how it could possibly be caused by human industrialization. They can't even predict tomorrow's weather correctly... and I am supposed to believe they have a handle on the more distant future??? I am placing my bets on global warming (IF it is a trend, and I have doubts) being attributed to that big nuclear fireball in the sky that is thousands of times larger than the earth. But that is just me. This is a giant political mess, among other giant political messes. Again. It is getting way beyond rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Free market economy is a bad idea anyway, but this is due to lobbying.. They need to do something with their corn, and if they can legislate you buying it, then all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FONTANA MOTORSPORTS Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 same here...when started for the first time of the day,cranks, and sometires doesnt fire on the first try (because yiou are used to holding the key in the crank possition like for the normal amount of time)started about 3 weeks ago with mine...i have 2023 miles on mine...it reaally doesnt matter on the outside temp with mine either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Free market economy is a bad idea anyway, but this is due to lobbying.. They need to do something with their corn, and if they can legislate you buying it, then all the better. So which are you for? (not that I dissagree with your lobbying point... I think you are quite correct.) You say free market is bad (and free market left unencumbered to break reasonable laws, and practice fraud or other genuinely bad activities is not what I am talking about... free requires responsible, afterall...) Free market participants can be expected to uphold the law in a criminal sense, but still be free to do business as their market requires. But then you say lobbying and special-interest overlegislation (not criminal, but rather regulatory) is not positive either... (at least that is the impression I get, and I would agree) Is there another direction that I am missing? Either the government lets businesses do business (capitalism), or they intervene and play the micromanager (socialism), or even take that further, and just outright own the business (communism)... Sorry for the continuing thread hijack. I hope the startup problem has been, or is being solved. It initially seemed like a battery underpower problem to me, but I think others mentioned that. Maybe the battery has too little reserve amperage, and it just cranks slower after draining a bit overnight, combined with cooler temperatures during the night than during the day... Maybe doesn't charge the ignition coils enough right off the bat in the morning, and needs longer cranking time. Might try (when you have time) putting a battery charger on the battery over night, or at least in the morning, before starting the car, and see if it starts any easier, that would let you know if there is a bit too much electrical load on the battery otherwise... people have said the battery is a bit low on cranking amps for the car. The other thing would be if the fuel pump needs extra time to prime the fuel lines up to sufficient pressure... but usually that doesn't depend on cranking, the fuel pump usually starts priming when the key is turned to the on position... You could try holding the key at the on position for a second or two before cranking, and see if that makes a difference, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FONTANA MOTORSPORTS Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 ya know, im running the stage 2 tune and i hve noticed a slight loss in performance for the past 3 weeks now, it just doesnt feel like its making the boost it was before , but according to may gauge its boost curve hasnt changed...maybe it is that damn fuel.....at lease its warmer now so i ride bike more often...cheaper on gas...but only thing is my car feels slow after riding the bike for a few days or so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 So which are you for? Is there another direction that I am missing? Either the government lets businesses do business (capitalism), or they intervene and play the micromanager (socialism), or even take that further, and just outright own the business (communism)... If you are not with us you are against us? eh? Monopolies are naturally against free-market, since the market becomes un-free, thus free-market is bad. So the government must not allow this to happen. However they approve big mergers for the same reason we get ethanol down our throats. (And high fructose corn syrup). Also if the government owns the business or the business owns the government, is this really a consequential difference in communism? But is ethanol really our problem? If that's the reason my FPR is more noisy than normal, it probably means the ethanol is eating into it slowly. Lost fuel pressure+tune=death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 No, it isn't if you aren't with us, you're against us... It just seemed like you didn't like either free or controlled markets... so I was wondering... The answer to monopolies is not getting the government to create more of them through force of law, though. I don't see why the government is involved in approving mergers... Business gets bigger, growth is natural, and if businesses aren't growing, they usually aren't merging, but going out of business, potentially leaving other businesses as monopolies in their wake anyway... Ethanol might not be the problem, but some rubber compounds (I assume a fuel pressure regulator would have seals and gaskets in it...) are sensitive to alcohol... And then if it does fail, does it fail safe, or not... Maybe if it fails, it just stops regulating the pressure, and shunts higher pressure fuel into the downstream fuel system, rather than cutting off the fuel supply... I dunno, I am not familiar with the internal design of FPRs... It is possible that ethanol-added fuel has a different density (more or less volume at the given pressure) or inhibits some of the lubrication properties of the petroleum, and the fpr is just making more noise due to that... I dunno. Just guessing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Welcome to a country run by a government that thinks it knows better. I agree that it is stupid. What ever happened to the "free" in free market economics? Went the way of our personal freedoms, too, I would suppose. Free as long as the government doesn't decide otherwise. Constitution and Bill of Rights are evidently to be ignored at their leisure. But the way I understand it, Ethanol (grain alcohol, also used in liquor vs. Methanol/Methyl Alcohol is wood-based alcohol, and poisonous for human consumption) has a higher octane rating, as it is not as easily combustible as gasoline, but also does not contain as much inherent energy, so also provides less "power" when burned, thus the mixture usually needs to be richened a bit, and thus less fuel economy, regardless of the higher octane rating. Petroleum, and gasoline specifically, is one of the most potent, and efficient fuels available. THAT is why it is used. If gasoline weren't such a good fuel, we would already be using ethanol, or some other source; determined by demand, not some idiot lawyer lawmakers. Other than plastics, what other use does petroleum have? It isn't as if we are saving it for some other higher purpose than fueling our economy and standard of living, but rather just to please the environmentalist political agenda, which also dictates that we can't establish our own petroleum sources, and must be beholden to outside interests that are often at distinct and complete odds with us. (i.e. OPEC, Venezuela, Mexico... and so on) Item Think electricity ala oil fired power plants. About 40% of the power generation in the US is from oil. Watch for more rolling blackouts this summer. And BTW , think about all the oil fired home heating systems. Establish our own petroleum resources? What and you think that prices would change? Even if wad had any cheap ones available? Item It also kills me that the government and environmentalist lobby is SO absolutely concerned with automotive emissions. They account for 3% or less of the total "emissions" into the environment. Automobiles as a collective genre are by far not the worst offenders, just the easiest targets, and this issue can be foisted on the unsuspecting public, without causing damage to other industries, or other countries like India and China (exempted from the beloved Kyoto treaty, BTW) that pollute much more on a per-polluter basis, and are growing faster. If you ever flew into LA 20 years ago you would understand the total bs of the above statement. Its not total emissions but where they are concentrated. Item One of my favorite sayings: "I'm pro-Global Warming. Without it, we'd still be under an ice-age glacier!" Just shows your ignorance. Global warming means climate change, not just everything heating up. Think new ice age in Europe and northern America. Item the "scientists" still can't prove that global warming exists as a trend as their models are often proved wrong, and can't even be used to get current conditions based on past data. They can't establish a trend, rather than just a year-over-year variance, let alone how it could possibly be caused by human industrialization. They can't even predict tomorrow's weather correctly... and I am supposed to believe they have a handle on the more distant future??? This is blither. Global warming as a trend has been established without doubt. The few "scientists" that dispute it are of the same ilk of those that say evolution is just one theory of many. Item I am placing my bets on global warming (IF it is a trend, and I have doubts) being attributed to that big nuclear fireball in the sky that is thousands of times larger than the earth. But that is just me. It is true that the luminosity of the sun is increasing but no one single factor can explain the current trend. Item This is a giant political mess, among other giant political messes. Again. It is getting way beyond rediculous. Science and politics don't mix well. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 * and politics don't mix well. Corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I'll agree with that last statement, and some science now-a-days is actually politics in disguise, and unbound by rationality or testing. Anyway... that is probably enough of a thread hijack here, I'll be happy to discuss via PM further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 ........... Must be the change in gas. I vote for this. Reformulated gas may be causing some mild vapor lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-lo Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 ???thought this thread was about starting engine problems?? take your politics somewhere else:icon_bigg anyway: My starting engine issue seems to have resolved. 258k miles - Stock engine/minor suspension upgrades/original shocks/rear struts replaced at 222k/4 passenger side wheel bearings/3 clutches/1 radiator/3 turbos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 ???thought this thread was about starting engine problems?? take your politics somewhere else:icon_bigg anyway: My starting engine issue seems to have resolved.Details?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Didn't mean to hyjack the the thread, my apologies! Actually I prefer that the engine not start right up. Both of my GTIs were touch and go cars. Touch the starter and vroooom. I even considered putting in an igntition cut out to stop this!I prefer that the car cranks a bit to at least build up some oil pressure. Much of the total wear on an engine is caused by the initial start up! "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-lo Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Details?? I mean my starting issues (ie. this thread) last week my car was taking a few extra seconds to start. now it's not. were you thinking of my check engine light issue? if so, yeah that seems to be resolved to. they replaced the injector. seems to be running better too. wished they had replaced the injector the first time, not the 5 time. 258k miles - Stock engine/minor suspension upgrades/original shocks/rear struts replaced at 222k/4 passenger side wheel bearings/3 clutches/1 radiator/3 turbos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I mean my starting issues (ie. this thread) last week my car was taking a few extra seconds to start. now it's not.Ugh, that doesn't mean it's fixed, it means it hasn't happened this week yet. Mine doesn't happen everytime either. Some mornings, sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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