BigT Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Anybody think that Subaru will turn their Spec B line into a real competitor for the Super Sport Sedans (M3, S4 etc.)? I think that if they came out with a more powerful engine for the B9 they could mod it for a sportier version of the Spec B. Anybody else see this as a likely possibility if Subaru continues it's rising sales for both models? -T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamie700 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 STI would be the comparison to BMW M.., Audi S.., etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psucaptainkickass Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Yeah I think they will, in '08, it will be called the STi, and will be had for thousands less than the competion, while blowing the doors off everything in that class. It will become the end all be all Subaru, and the Legacy will rightfully reclaim its status as flagship of the Subaru family of vehicles. That is until the B9 STi comes out in '09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Yeah, twin turbo H6 is right around the corner anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQC049 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Yeah, twin turbo H6 is right around the corner anyway In the 08 STI Super JDM part out: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65039Â PM me an offer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmor Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Maybe it'll sell in the US where the price of fuel is reasonable. In the rest of the world it'll just be marginalized, I mean the H6 consumes way to much fuel as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 In the 08 STI The hatchback one? OMGWTFBBQ!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 --->nope<-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Maybe it'll sell in the US where the price of fuel is reasonable. In the rest of the world it'll just be marginalized, I mean the H6 consumes way to much fuel as it is. campared to a bmw or audi? depends on driving i would think, and economics... $30k car that gets slightly worse mileage vs $50k+ cars that get marginally better mileage if they get better mileage at all "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmor Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 campared to a bmw or audi? depends on driving i would think, and economics... $30k car that gets slightly worse mileage vs $50k+ cars that get marginally better mileage if they get better mileage at all My Legacy H6 consumes 12 - 13 litres per 100km. Both Audi and Audi gets better milage. So what if they mount a blower on top of that. Fun I admit but economical suiside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeTrout Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 The BMW 550i is rated for 16/23 mpg. The way a 550i driver drives one, they are lucky to get 12 mpg. I've seen them in Germany - the folks who have them are completely unaware that they are paying $5.57/gal. They could care less. The hypothetical t-t H6 would be targeting drivers who just hand over their credit card at the pump and let their accountants deal with the price of petrol... Ich bin echt viel netter, wenn ich nuechtern bin. Echt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessterCPA Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Not going to happen. People just simply will not pay serious dough for a Subaru.  Use VW as a good example. Didnt sell too many of those W8 Passat's and those Phaeton's. As good as those vehicles are (and they are), the general public, and snobby USA'er, just are not ready for a expensive car from a perceived cheap brand. Just my .02. Jesse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeTrout Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Well, one could easily point out that the main problem VW had with those cars is that they had direct internal competition from the Audi A6 and A8, which were virtually equivalent cars with more standard features and AWD for approximately the same price point. Kinda like the Saab 92X problem, only in reverse. It was an example of product development without any thought to positioning. A German car company pulling the old Chevy/Pontiac nonsense. Ich bin echt viel netter, wenn ich nuechtern bin. Echt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Pimp Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Gas prices will pwn the H6TT. Direct Injection twin scroll variable vane equal length manifold SI drive sport sharp 6th gear tall overdrive FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessterCPA Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Well, one could easily point out that the main problem VW had with those cars is that they had direct internal competition from the Audi A6 and A8, which were virtually equivalent cars with more standard features and AWD for approximately the same price point. Kinda like the Saab 92X problem, only in reverse. It was an example of product development without any thought to positioning. A German car company pulling the old Chevy/Pontiac nonsense. Good point. I still think it's a valid analogy though. Jesse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Subaru needs to stay south of 40K. 2008 Legacy STI for 39K: DCCD with stability control 350HP DI 2.5L twin-scroll (minimal turbo lag needed) keep weight in check bigger/better brakes stiffer suspension telescoping wheel faster steering revised interior HIDs Will dominate all of the 300HP-320HP cars in the class (G35, new BMW 335i, Audi S4, IS350 etc..) in terms of performance and come very close in terms of refinement and interior quality, all for equal cost (Japanese competitors) or for much less (German competitors) I'm just worried that Subaru being small as it is won't be able to make changes quickly enough as the competition moves forward with adding turbos, awd, and performance sedans into the LGT price range as Subaru goes upscale. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fzanetti Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Maybe it'll sell in the US where the price of fuel is reasonable. In the rest of the world it'll just be marginalized, I mean the H6 consumes way to much fuel as it is. I don't think USD 3 per galon, is reasonable at all my friend!!!! heheheheheheh Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fzanetti Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Subaru needs to stay south of 40K. 2008 Legacy STI for 39K: DCCD with stability control 350HP DI 2.5L twin-scroll (minimal turbo lag needed) keep weight in check bigger/better brakes stiffer suspension telescoping wheel faster steering revised interior HIDs Will dominate all of the 300HP-320HP cars in the class (G35, new BMW 335i, Audi S4, IS350 etc..) in terms of performance and come very close in terms of refinement and interior quality, all for equal cost (Japanese competitors) or for much less (German competitors) I'm just worried that Subaru being small as it is won't be able to make changes quickly enough as the competition moves forward with adding turbos, awd, and performance sedans into the LGT price range as Subaru goes upscale. Completely agree with you man....  Subaru takes forever to adapt to the market, for how long have we mentioned the H6 or twin scroll turbo in the US, besides emissions, no reason for waiting way too much time and let the competition win...  Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmor Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I don't think USD 3 per galon, is reasonable at all my friend!!!! heheheheheheh Flavio Zanetti Boston, MA I wish we in Europe had those prices. We know you guys are spoiled with CHEAP prices. BTW I just saw on the news that EXXON made a healthy profit! Them boys ought to thank George, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Pimp Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Subaru needs to stay south of 40K. 2008 Legacy STI for 39K: DCCD with stability control 350HP DI 2.5L twin-scroll (minimal turbo lag needed) keep weight in check bigger/better brakes stiffer suspension telescoping wheel faster steering revised interior HIDs Will dominate all of the 300HP-320HP cars in the class (G35, new BMW 335i, Audi S4, IS350 etc..) in terms of performance and come very close in terms of refinement and interior quality, all for equal cost (Japanese competitors) or for much less (German competitors) I'm just worried that Subaru being small as it is won't be able to make changes quickly enough as the competition moves forward with adding turbos, awd, and performance sedans into the LGT price range as Subaru goes upscale. Hellz yeah I would buy this in a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_knoxville Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Anybody think that Subaru will turn their Spec B line into a real competitor for the Super Sport Sedans (M3, S4 etc.)? correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't a stock lgt spec-b put down numbers comparable to an s4 already? i don't see the s4 getting 5.1 0-60 & 13.7 ¼ mile times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Not going to happen. People just simply will not pay serious dough for a Subaru.   People wont even pay alot of money for Acura. Certain models yeah. But if you had $52,000 to spend would you spend it on an RL? No. Id go 5 series. Subaru needs to stay under $40K. Though my dad is not a big fan of Subaru, he was convinced that the new LGT would be in the $40s and he would pay that much for one if he were buying a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted April 29, 2006 Author Share Posted April 29, 2006 Hell yeah to the 08 Sti under 40K! It was my understanding that an S4 would roast a stock LGT, maybe not that badly on a straight away, but throw in some curves and we might as well have Fred Flinstone driving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim malach Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 :icon_wink How about variable vane turbos it on the new 911? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_knoxville Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 It was my understanding that an S4 would roast a stock LGT, maybe not that badly on a straight away, but throw in some curves and we might as well have Fred Flinstone driving! do you have a source for your understanding, or is it just simply your understanding? i don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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