Scooter Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Cool -thanks for the progress report. Definitely let us know how the H-Techs compare. Seek first to understand, then to be understood. In other words: SEARCH before you post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviemadness Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 any aftermarket springs with stock struts is going to give you the same BANG on bumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebpda9 Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 and i think the front shocks is bottoming out on his car. did u cut the bump stops ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infymus Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 Ok, another update. I purchased my S-TECH and H-TECH springs through Grip Motorsports at http://www.gripmotorsports.com/ As per a verbal conversation with the owner concerning the swap out from the S-TECH to the H-TECH springs, I emailed him to let him know that I had received the H-TECH springs and they are to be installed tomorrow at 1pm at Modern Garage. I was concerned when I received the H-TECH springs because of the condition of the box the springs were shipped in. The box was absolutely brand spanking new - not a single dent or scratch on them. In fact, the box it'self had the original vinyl double-taping around the entire box. You can see the box here: http://www.infymus.com/lgt/100_2695.jpg Brand spanking new. When the owner asked me what condition the prior box was in, I agreed there were no holes (it looks like a hole is in the front, but it does not go all the way through), however, the box was "tapped to hell". Grip Motorsports stated that the box was taped because of the weight of the springs. I completely agree, but look at the condition of the S-TECH box compared to the H-TECH box: http://www.infymus.com/lgt/100_2696.jpg Here is a picture of both boxes together: http://www.infymus.com/lgt/100_2694.jpg As you can see, the S-TECH box looks like it has gone around the world. Note the writing on the top corner in black permanent marker, it is some persons name I can't even pronounce. I am really starting to believe that the S-TECH Springs shipped to me by Grip Motorsport's third party were used. They have got to be. How else would they drop the car 2.5" and 2.75" on one rear? (Advertised 1.5" drop) I can't think of any other reason than that perhaps these springs were indeed used, shipped back, and then sold as new through their third party vendor. Grip Motorsports receives the spring orders, then orders them through a company elsewhere (I believe California). I hope that regardless of the condition compared to the H-TECH box, they will still be able to take these springs back. I'm dismayed. I never even questioned the fact that they could have possibly been used. Perhaps the S-TECH boxes are not shipped with the vinyl wrapping, and perhaps UPS tapped it up because it was popping open. I have no idea. I'll write more Monday after these springs are installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviemadness Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 like I said, defect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKLGT Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 interesting. sorry your install didn't turn out as well as you'd like. i have to agree, no way these s-techs are just 1.5" lower! i'm atleast 2" lower!!! :O but still love them, dispite the harshness of going over bumps. Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhsa Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 dude, they may be conterfeits. see tdc's posting at http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31192 could account for why they performed so poorly... something to consider. grip may have been duped, as well. hard to tell who is at fault here:iam: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsontuning Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I will be installing a set next week and will post pictures with a yardstick before and after at the front and rear wheel wells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infymus Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 One quick update after the install. Modern Garage took the S-TECH springs off and put the H-TECH springs on. Then the mechanic called me and said the drivers side rear spring was still compressing down exactly the same as the S-TECH springs were. This leads me to believe that the S-TECH springs did drop the car more than advertised, but the rear that dropped almost 3" was due to an original factory problem. I have a good friend that works at a Subaru Dealership and he said I'm screwed unless I put the original springs back on and pretend nothing ever happend. He also added that Subaru is now denying all warranties when there is any modifications - including blowoff vales, CAI's, Springs, ECU updates, top mount coolers - you name it. One word of warning: If you have Access ECU'd your CPU, make sure you put the map back to STOCK before going in. Probably just good common sense anyway. The ride back home on the H-TECH springs was much much better than the S-TECH springs. Very much more comfortable and the gap is something that I can live with. I went over train tracks and more and it was FAR more comfortable and the drop was right around what it said .9" to 1.0". Unfortuantly, the drivers side rear is still 2.75" drop and I'll bet you the car came from the factory with a drop already. If I could go gack in time and look at the stock springs, stock tires, I'd know but WTF - who knew, and obviously I didn't see a difference originally but then again, I wasn't looking. The mechanic stated the springs looked just fine, as well as the struts and shocks. The rear spring assembly is easy - very simple and he believes it's factory and not something *he* did while installing it. Even so, he stated if I take it somewhere and discover it was the spring installation that caused the problem, they would rectify the situation. In writing? No... LOL.. But at least I"m only out $180 for labor on the installations. Grip Motorsports is fully taking back the S-TECH springs as per his email this morning: "Hello Infymus, I am shocked by your pictures. The S Tech box looks really beat up compared to the H Techs. I called up the distributor that ships the springs out and they told me that they do not sell returns. Maybe it has just been sitting a while on the shelf or UPS just destroyed it (I have seen many unbelievable shipping damages before). Either way I'm glad that your new H Techs arrived perfectly. Our main goal as well as our distributor's main goal is that you are happy. Like I said on the phone with you I will defiantly take them back because you paid for New springs and that is what you will get from us. I don't want you to end up with damaged/used parts. Just let me know when you have the new H Techs installed and how they work out for you and then we will take care of the S Techs for you. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you, Russell" Just one more update. I'll post more later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccorry Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Thanks for the follow up..... sorry to hear about your issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Black Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I just had mine installed today... The drop is 1.5", except for the driver side rear is closer to 2.0-2.25". Anyone else had similar problems in uniformity with these? Hypothetically speaking, if it is a factory defect... Is there anyway to level the car out with some sort of compensation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKLGT Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 wow. that's quite a difference. mine were a good 2" drop min. not the 1.5" the box or info said! :O but i still like it... drives and handles great too. Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfool Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 kinda losing my confidence in Teins. can we blame all this variation on the counterfeits or is there some other production issue? Given the other thread complaining about the "iON rear sag" I'm thinking I may wait until summer when they release the Eibachs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Black Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I haven't really put them to the test yet, but after about 30 minute drive home today I do really like the feel. I just want them to look as good as they drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Black Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Yeah, these were supposed to hold me over till the budget could afford a decent coil-over set up. I'm thinking that may come sooner than later now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infymus Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 I just had mine installed today... The drop is 1.5", except for the driver side rear is closer to 2.0-2.25". Anyone else had similar problems in uniformity with these? Hypothetically speaking, if it is a factory defect... Is there anyway to level the car out with some sort of compensation? Are you serious? Yours dropped on the drivers side rear more than the rest? Exactly the same as mine. I wonder if this is some kind of factory defect, not in TEIN but in Subaru - because both of the springs for the rear are the same, if you swapped them side to side, you'd still have the exact same problem. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iON Performance Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 silverfool - just to clarify, the "sag" is somewhat "subjective" vs. "objective", as the chassis itself is lowered to a point which is level. This visual "sag" is associated with the way the rear fender arches are cut. LGT 5MT Sedan: http://www.ionperformance.com/suspension/ionBPa.jpg LGT 5MT Wagon: (with oversized tires) http://www.ionperformance.com/suspension/ionBL.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsontuning Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I will be installing mine tomorrow and will post measurements also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Black Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 I do realize the subjective nature of the argument over sagging in the rear. I've now measured my car on a variety of surfaces and the measurments do change. However, I get consistenly less clearance between the tire and fender wall on the driver side (especially rear). For anyone who hasn't gotten a four-wheel alignment afterwards... DO SO! Having the toe and camber off can play serious tricks on the eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infymus Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 Ion Performance, both those look a little lower in the back end than I'd prefer, but you're probably right on being somewhat subjective. Jet_Black - thanks for the updates. I'll be getting an alignment shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsontuning Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Just installed S-tech 1 1/2" drop initially. Will measure again after alignment which is about to get done. I will also post pics of before and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infymus Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 No probs with any side being less or more than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsontuning Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 OK, allignment is done and still all sides are holding at 1 1/2" drop all around. No side is dropped anymore than the other. I don't see why people complain about the harshness of these springs I think they are pretty gently; but I am coming from a rally 50mm DMS coilover. Here are pics of before and after and also with my car back to back with a stock suspension car. before http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce88663290b38d00000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce886632d132fc00000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA after http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce88663227320a00000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce88663217323a00000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA back to back http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce88663061b37d00000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce8866300fb31300000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da24b3127cce886630ebb3f700000016100AaOGrdy1ZsWNA I will re-measure every month to see what the final drop will be. But these will also only be on the car about 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbjr Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 ^^^ That looks the same as mine. The rear is a smidge lower than it's supposed to be because of my stereo gear in the trunk. But I'll grab an extra set of rubber inserts to level that out. I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQC049 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I will be installing mine next week when they come in. Sorry for the noobish question but, in order to do an allignment do I need to get camber bolts, or can the factory suspension be adjusted without camber bolts? Thanks guys Drew Super JDM part out: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65039 PM me an offer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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