fweasel Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I had my Ion springs installed about two weeks ago and went for an alignment today at Just Tires. I don't know much about alignments, but after looking over my results, reading posts about what can and can't be adjusted, I think they did a pretty piss poor job. Before/After (degrees) LF camber +0.3/+0.3 RF camber -0.3/-0.3 Cross camber +0.7/+0.6 LF toe -0.60/-0.03 RF toe +0.62/-0.03 Total toe +0.02/-0.06 LR camber -1.6/-1.6 RR camber -1.0/-1.0 LR toe +0.37/+0.48 RR toe +0.26/+0.00 Total toe +0.63/+0.48 The number that sticks out to me is the rear total toe: +0.48degrees. Its obviously way out of spec on the left rear wheel. Can this be dialed out considering the car is lowered? ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobY Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Yeah you got hosed... those numbers are horrible. The toe on both the front and the rear can be adjusted. THe camber in the front they did not touch. But can be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I had my Ion springs installed about two weeks ago and went for an alignment today at Just Tires. I don't know much about alignments, but after looking over my results, reading posts about what can and can't be adjusted, I think they did a pretty piss poor job. Before/After (degrees) LF camber +0.3/+0.3 RF camber -0.3/-0.3 Cross camber +0.7/+0.6 LF toe -0.60/-0.03 RF toe +0.62/-0.03 Total toe +0.02/-0.06 LR camber -1.6/-1.6 RR camber -1.0/-1.0 LR toe +0.37/+0.48 RR toe +0.26/+0.00 Total toe +0.63/+0.48 The number that sticks out to me is the rear total toe: +0.48degrees. Its obviously way out of spec on the left rear wheel. Can this be dialed out considering the car is lowered? The rear toe is way out of whack. Toe is easily corrected and there is no way they should have sent you on your way with one corner out of spec like that. While you're at it, have them dial a little negative camber (1 to 1.5*) in up front, as that is another adjustable parameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fweasel Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 Looks like I'll be heading back there tomorrow morning to have the rear toe looked at. What specs should I take in with me? I found a post with two sets of alignment specs listed. One was from the service manual and the other was the dealer service department. Difference? ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driggity Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I'd personally go for zero toe all around and as much negative camber (equal from side to side) as you can get in front. However if they did that poor a job the first time around, I wouldn't expect much from them other than getting it within spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 front camber is adjustable within a half a degree or so. and toe front and rear should be as close to zero as possibile. more front camber ill give you better hadeling and steering responce, but also more tire wear. as long as both sides are even. then i would be happy. you dial in to much with the factory adjustment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLEG Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Looks like I'll be heading back there tomorrow morning to have the rear toe looked at. What specs should I take in with me? I found a post with two sets of alignment specs listed. One was from the service manual and the other was the dealer service department. Difference? My car is lowered (iON's) and this is what I got after an allignment: After (degrees), (before doesn't matter) LF camber -0.4 RF camber -0.4 LF toe 0.00 RF toe 0.00 Total toe -0.01 Steer Ahead 0.00 LR camber -1.1 - can't adjust RR camber -1.2 - can't adjust LR toe -0.04 RR toe 0.01 Total toe -0.03 Thrust Angle -0.03 You got SCREWED, dude! PM me if you want more info as to where I went and type of allignment machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxerGT2.5 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 You got slammed in the pooper. OBAMA......One Big Ass Mistake America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aczwild Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 You got slammed in the pooper.I think the pooper is an understatement JDM'd All to hell Thanks Jimmy @ Hkc-Speed.com! RIP Coxx & Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxerGT2.5 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I think the pooper is an understatement Abiding by the swear filter and shit. OBAMA......One Big Ass Mistake America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aczwild Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Ahhh this is true i forgot about the ******* filter I hope you get that horrendous alignment worked out JDM'd All to hell Thanks Jimmy @ Hkc-Speed.com! RIP Coxx & Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fweasel Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 I hope you get that horrendous alignment worked out Just had it done today, picked up the car on my way home. I'll be heading back there first thing in the morning. NHLEG- thanks for the input, that helps tremendously knowing someone else with these springs got spot on results. ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fweasel Posted February 18, 2006 Author Share Posted February 18, 2006 UPDATE: Took the car back today for another go around. They were very defensive (maybe the springs weren't installed correctly) and never once appologized for my second trip. Weird thing is, I drove the car about 5 miles between the two alignments, and most of today's begining numbers are different than yesterday's final numbers. With that kind of inaccuracy, I don't trust today's results either. Before/After (degrees)___Yesterday's final FL toe +0.12/+0.01 _____-0.03 FR toe -0.03/0.00 _______-0.03 FL camber +0.3 _________+0.3 FR camber -0.2 __________-0.3 RL toe +0.42/+0.12 ______+0.48 RR toe +0.05/+0.03 ______+0.00 RL camber -1.5 __________-1.6 RR camber -0.8 __________-1.0 Most of the numbers improved, but now the cars pulls right. I'm going to have to try another shop. Any locals have some suggestions? I'll take my results from a quality alignment and go back to the original place and argue for a refund. ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWortham Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Well that's better. But the camber in the front should really be fixed too. The camber is what's probably causing the pulling at this point. The positive camber at the left front is no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 keep in mind that most alignment racks have a low repeatability rate. Everytime you put a car on the rack you will come out with a different reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLEG Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Well that's better. But the camber in the front should really be fixed too. The camber is what's probably causing the pulling at this point. The positive camber at the left front is no good. +1. Go back and have them fix to - .3 (up to -05) on BOTH sides! No excuse to have one + and the other - except they're lazy or they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I agree - persevere, get the camber sorted & never go back. Find a suspension specialist who you can trust - I did & have never been happier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 keep in mind that most alignment racks have a low repeatability rate. Everytime you put a car on the rack you will come out with a different reading. I agree. And the repeatability is even worse when you go from shop to shop. Getting good alignment results is 50% luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fweasel Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Went back for the third time today. Asked to have the camber adjusted up front so they would both be at least -0.3 and then re adjust the toe. Went back to pick up the car at 5:00... Manager said the tech told him there are no eccentric bolts to adjust the camber. I assured him there were as I held them in my hand during the spring install. So, I'll be going back again tomorrow morning for the FOURTH time to show the tech in person where they are located. I thought they were the bottom one, but this pic shows the top. Obviously its whatever bolt has the tick marks, but I just want to know for sure before I go in. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13647&d=1137504210 ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 top one for the win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Go get your $ back, this is BS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Go get your $ back, this is BS! +1 Three strikes and you're out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWortham Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 You'd think they'd get tired of seeing you come back and just do it right for once. But a lot of alignment shops just kinda suck. I've had pretty good luck with Firestone even when I specify my custom alignment specs. And I'm liking their lifetime alignment. Sometimes you just have to explain to them where the slack is in the suspension to produce the camber adjustment you need so I started writing that down as a note in the work order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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