Never take on a project this insane!

[Ezra1234]

Hello:

This project has been a five year ordeal. What have we learned from this journey is that Subaru's are different cars to modify and that they require more money than I have invested in my three classic car hotrods combined which includes a blown 426 Hemi installed in a beautiful 40" Willy's coupe, My 63 Plymouth 426 Hemi sedan and my 57 Chevy with a blown L88-427 cubic inch motor!

 

Yeah, the Subaru is fast for a Subaru -1.5 sec to 60mph. But will require another $10K to $12K to add a Lenco transmission as the six-speed Transmission is very difficult to shift between 2nd and 3rd because of the torque load on the clutch and transmission. Thus, the quarter-mile times suffer dramatically as a result of this problem. Actually, this car will work best as a time attack vehicle with the power reduced to 700 whp.

 

Grandpa’s Toy

Component & Parts list

 

Event: Dyno-9-2020

Location: Auburn CA

Ambient Temp: ?

Elevation: 1366 ft

Weather: Sunny

Maximum Power=MAP #1=870whp at 6100rpm and

712ft lbs. of torque@ 5200rpm,

 

Car: 2005 Legacy GT

Tuner: Travis (Snail Racing)

Dyno Info: Dyno-Jet, STP correction

Transmission: STI – Spec B - 6 speed,

First four gears are STI gears, fifth and sixth are much taller providing much more top end than an STI Transmission.

Cobb Quick Shift Kit, Considering purchasing a Lenco four speed

transmission!

Oil: Amsoil Synthetic 10-40wt.

Fuel: Ignite E90

Weight: Stock-3485lbs, Lightened-2635lbs,

 

Engine/Power Modifications:

Outfront Motorsports V4-2.5Liter Closed Deck Block Cobb AP V3 running- Speed Density

Perrin Heavy Duty Motor & Transmission Mounts

CSF Oversized Radiator, w/built-in oil cooler

Cosworth HP Oil Pump, PTFE fuel system,

Crawford High Pressure water pump, ETS FMIC w/ 4" core,

CP 8:4 pistons Supertech +1mm Inconel larger valves with matched springs,

Currently using Kelford R-199-D Cams,

For new motor, Elgin Custom cams will be used, 8mmTGV Phenolic Intake Spacers,

ID 2000cc top feed injectors & Radium fuel rail, Radium TGV Deletes,

Radium Engineering Surge Tank, ETS Custom 4” Cool Air System (modified by M&M),

3-Walbro 455 LPH Staged Fuel pumps, Comp Turbo Cust. Twin Scroll Turbo-CT4x-6065-3bb unit

Manley Turbo Tuff I-beam rods, ATI Crank Pulley,

Pinned King Bearings, Crawford Catch Can

STI crank in existing motor,

Manley Billet crank will be installed in new motor. Tomei Adjustable Cam Sprockets,

M & M Custom 3” Down Pipe,

M & M Custom 3” Exhaust, Up-Pipe T4 mount, Dual dump tubes w/twin 44mm Tial wastegates,

Outfront Motorsports 1/2" head studs, ARP bolts and studs used throughout the entire motor,

Current engine uses a set of ported heads. However, the new motor will use custom Heads and head work by Replika Machinsen Porting & Valve job. These heads flow 22% more than IAG Stage 4 heads.

All running gear was balanced and Cryoed & WEP Treated,

IAG- EJ Competition Oil Pan, V2 Oil Pickup, Competition Baffle and Windage Tray,

 

Driveline Modifications:

Kyb adjustable shocks & Struts, Whiteline Differential Reinforced Chassis mounts,

Rallytek Springs, AVO End Links,

Rallytek Sway Bars, Torque Solutions Full Support Driveshaft Carrier Bearing,

Megan Racing Adjustable Front and Rear linkage,

All bushings on car have been replaced with Polyurethane bushings,

Drive Shaft Shop – Custom Carbon Fiber Driveshaft

Capable of handling 1100whp.

 

Wheels & Brakes[/u][/b]

EBC Rotors, Motul High Temp Brake Fluid,

Subaru four piston front calipers, RPF1-Custom Powder Coated Enkei Racing Rims

Special Compound EBC Brake Pads Toyo Red Dot High Performance Tires, or M&H Slicks

Stainless Steel Brake Lines

 

Interior

Kirkey Seat and cushions

Custom Rollbar

Custom Lexan Windows

Custom PLX and Innovate-Data logging Digital Guages

Element Fire Extinguishers

Edited September 6, 2021 by Ezra1234
Punctuation and clarification of story

[xrayspecs]

this should be over in the for sales categories if its just a for sale post.

[RacerX69]

Hello:

This project has been a five year ordeal. What have we learned from this journey is that Subaru's are different cars to modify and that they require more money than I have invested in my three classic car hotrods combined which includes a blown 426 Hemi installed in a beautiful 40" Willy's coupe, My 63 Plymouth 426 Hemi sedan and my 57 Chevy with a blown L88-427 cubic inch motor!

 

Yeah, the Subaru is fast for a Subaru -1.5 sec to 60mph. But will require another $10K to $12K to add a Lenco transmission as the six-speed Transmission is very difficult to shift between 2nd and 3rd because of the torque load on the clutch and transmission. Thus, the quarter-mile times suffer dramatically as a result of this problem. Actually, this car will work best as a time attack vehicle with the power reduced to 700 whp. This car is also forsale with a ton of fabulous new spare parts. If interested, contact me at 916-606-6418 the selling price is $50K ($150 invested)

 

Grandpa’s Toy

Component & Parts list

 

Event: Dyno-9-2021

Location: Auburn CA

Ambient Temp: ?

Elevation: 1366 ft

Weather: Sunny

Maximum Power=MAP #1=870whp at 6100rpm and

712ft lbs. of torque@ 5200rpm,

 

Car: 2005 Legacy GT

Tuner: Travis (Snail Racing)

Dyno Info: Dyno-Jet, STP correction

Transmission: STI – Spec B - 6 speed,

First four gears are STI gears, fifth and sixth are much taller providing much more top end than an STI Transmission.

Cobb Quick Shift Kit, Considering purchasing a Lenco four speed

transmission!

Oil: Amsoil Synthetic 10-40wt.

Fuel: Ignite E90

Weight: Stock-3485lbs, Lightened-2635lbs,

 

Engine/Power Modifications:

Outfront Motorsports V4-2.5Liter Closed Deck Block Cobb AP V3 running- Speed Density

Perrin Heavy Duty Motor & Transmission Mounts

CSF Oversized Radiator, w/built-in oil cooler

Cosworth HP Oil Pump PTFE fuel system

Crawford High Pressure water pump ETS FMIC w/ 4" core

CP 8:4 pistons Supertech +1mm Inconel larger valves with matched springs

Currently using Kelford R-199-D Cams

For new motor, Elgin Custom cams will be used, 8mmTGV Phenolic Intake Spacers

ID 2000cc top feed injectors & Radium fuel rail Radium TGV Deletes

Radium Engineering Surge Tank ETS Custom 4” Cool Air System (modified by M&M)

3-Walbro 455 LPH Staged Fuel pumps Comp Turbo Cust. Twin Scroll Turbo-CT4x-6065-3bb unit

Manley Turbo Tuff I-beam rods ATI Crank Pulley

Pinned King Bearings Crawford Catch Can

STI crank in existing motor,

Manley Billet crank will be installed in new motor. Tomei Adjustable Cam Sprockets

M & M Custom 3” Down Pipe

M & M Custom 3” Exhaust, Up-Pipe T4 mount, Dual dump tubes w/twin 44mm Tial wastegates

Outfront Motorsports 1/2" head studs, ARP bolts and studs used throughout the entire motor

Current engine uses a set of ported heads. However, the new motor will use custom Heads and head work by Replika Machinsen Porting & Valve job. These heads flow 22% more than IAG Stage 4 heads.

All running gear was balanced and Cryoed & WEP Treated

IAG- EJ Competition Oil Pan, V2 Oil Pickup, Competition Baffle and Windage Tray

 

Driveline Modifications:

Kyb adjustable shocks & Struts Whiteline Differential Reinforced Chassis mounts

Rallytek Springs AVO End Links

Rallytek Sway Bars Torque Solutions Full Support Driveshaft Carrier Bearing

Megan Racing Adjustable Front and Rear linkage

All bushings on car have been replaced with Polyurethane bushings

Drive Shaft Shop – Custom Carbon Fiber Driveshaft

 

Capable of handling 1100whp.

 

Wheels & Brakes[/u][/b]

EBC Rotors Motul High Temp Brake Fluid

Subaru four piston front calipers RPF1-Custom Powder Coated Enkei Racing Rims

Special Compound EBC Brake Pads Toyo Red Dot High Performance Tires, or M&H Slicks

Stainless Steel Brake Lines

 

Interior

Kirkey Seat and cushions

Custom Rollbar

Custom Lexan Windows

Custom PLX and Innovate-Data logging Digital Guages

Element Fire Extinguishers

 

An extensive list.

 

But.

 

All your photos are upside down.

 

Oh, and if this is a for sale post, you're in the wrong neighborhood.

[Enlight]

Can you tell us more about the 5th and 6th gear? Are these the taller gears from RalliSpec?

[Tehnation]

"Kyb adjustable shocks & Struts"

 

KYB makes adjustable shocks and struts? Can you shed some light on that?

[shralp]

Crazy build! Even crazier to push this much power with weak sauce brakes! are you really just running Suby 4 pots on this car?

[NORULZleggy]

Crazy build! Even crazier to push this much power with weak sauce brakes! are you really just running Suby 4 pots on this car?

 

Yeah I do not make anywhere near that power and I get nervous when I get up to high speeds in my 06 LGT. This is a cool build, but to me it takes the fun out of street driving the car with that much power. Also if it is for sale, you will never get anything close to what you want for all that work.

[Zac88]

How much Money do you have invested in this?

[boxkita]

I think this is an old parts list with a few updates. The grimspeed oil filler mounted AOS should be a giveaway that the pics are not current.

 

He has a mould for making the lexan windows. I was hoping he would offer a gb on them.

[boxkita]

How much Money do you have invested in this?

 

How long have you been on the forum? 6 figure cars are not a new concept.

[BrandonspecB]

I'm a little confused on the cost as well. Has to include labor but still seems excessive.

 

I have kept excellent records of everything I have spent on my spec.b. I haven't exceeded 60k and that includes what I paid for the car 10 years ago.

[boxkita]

$? y'all might be missing the point. 800hp, 2600lbs, in a relatively stock appearing lgt sedan

[BrandonspecB]

He removed the part about spending 150k. Also, I don't believe that turbo will make almost 900 whp. Lots of things that don't add up.

[Febreze Mee]

That is something! How do you shave 800lbs off of these. The full interior might get you halfway there. But then it's got a full cage in it.

 

John, how much does the race wagon weight?

[boxkita]

That is something! How do you shave 800lbs off of these. The full interior might get you halfway there. But then it's got a full cage in it.

 

John, how much does the race wagon weight?

 

race weight on the wagon is 2995. that's 200lbs of gator & safety gear + ~160lbs of fuel.

[Ezra1234]

Over 150K not counting on-going development costs!

[Ezra1234]

I think this is an old parts list with a few updates. The grimspeed oil filler mounted AOS should be a giveaway that the pics are not current.

 

He has a mould for making the lexan windows. I was hoping he would offer a gb on them.

 

The Grimmspeed AOS has been redesigned and frankly works exceptionally well in our application. We created and installed the Lexan windows using the stock windows as a template. Our windows are designed so the windows simply quick release and can be replaced in about five (5) minutes per window. For you to have this done to your vehicle will run about $5000.

[boxkita]

have videos of dragstrip runs?

[Ezra1234]

Yeah I do not make anywhere near that power and I get nervous when I get up to high speeds in my 06 LGT. This is a cool build, but to me it takes the fun out of street driving the car with that much power. Also if it is for sale, you will never get anything close to what you want for all that work.

 

OK,

First, this is a project car built by professional engineers with a long history of drag racing and involvement with Drag Racing at the highest level. We took on this project because between us we have built probably 30 very successful and competitive American vehicles. However, none of us had ever built a Sport Compact car. So, we approached this probably quite a bit differently than most of you in the Sport Compact world. For example, on the new engine we will be installing we completely redesigned the intake flow characteristics and parameters of the engine to be much more efficient and effective across the powerband. We designed the new parameters using some very sophisticated computer modeling to save us time and additional expense. We have been able to generate 800 +whp with 31lbs of boost! We did this by re-designing the horribly restrictive heads and building custom designed cams exclusively for our motors. We also use E90 in all of our engines and all of our engines and parts are cryo and WEP treatments and we are experimenting with a new treatment that reduces the intake fuel temperatures at 20 to 30 degrees farenheit in addition to any advantage offered by intercoolers.

 

So, your point is well made about the brakes. We just upgraded to Brembo 6piston brakes and we use a dual parachute on all of our test runs. Oh, and I assume that you understand that this is not a street legal or driven vehicle?

[Ezra1234]

I'm a little confused on the cost as well. Has to include labor but still seems excessive.

 

I have kept excellent records of everything I have spent on my spec.b. I haven't exceeded 60k and that includes what I paid for the car 10 years ago.

 

The cost does not reflect the original cost of the vehicle. Our new heads for example cost our group $20K! Don't ask about the cams. Again this is project / race car not to be driven any where but on the track!

[Tehnation]

This is why you only see american muscle at the track, you can probably get double the hp for half that price from an old gm/ford vehicle lol. No cost for r&d because its all been done already. Sucks being the "pioneer" in the sports compact world. Kudos to you for venturing down this path!

 

Any thoughts or plans on selling or developing your tech/research for the rest of us? Thats one way to recoup the investment!

Edited September 11, 2021 by Tehnation

[Ezra1234]

have videos of dragstrip runs?

Not yet! Why? Because the engine has such a torque load that it will not shift (Subaru Spec B 6speed) quick enough (power shift) between 2nd and 3rd to render a decent time. We have done everything we can to loosen up the linkage

but to no avail. So, the reason for the Lenco. It is designed to easily handle more power than we will ever get out of this motor.

[Tehnation]

I figured you would go automatic or sequential for the track?

[Ezra1234]

This is why you only see american muscle at the track, you can probably get double the hp for half that price from an old gm/ford vehicle lol. No cost for r&d because its all been done already. Sucks being the "pioneer" in the sports compact world. Kudos to you for venturing down this path!

 

Any thoughts on selling or developing your tech/research for the rest of us?

No, we never started this project to become a commercial enterprise. However, there are a few bits of info we can convey, such as the heads, cams and engine treatments, which we highly recommend. But that will be down the line. Our focus today is being able to make full passes down the drag strip without having to Granny shift between 2nd and 3rd. We chuckle about what type of money we could put into a V8 powered car to blow the Subaru off the track. We know my own past builds of V-8s, suspension and weight reduction that for $55K (which is what I have in my 40 Willys coupe). We could get into the low 8's or high 7's at around 165mph.

[Ezra1234]

He removed the part about spending 150k. Also, I don't believe that turbo will make almost 900 whp. Lots of things that don't add up.

 

They certainly don't if your looking at the conventional way Subaru's are built. We started with what we had to work with and how WE would approach building this vehicle. I will tell you that most of the parts that you buy off the shelf we had to modify to make them work as they were designed on OUR vehicle. We have modified/redesigned the heads and cams to go along with the coatings we use in making our engine very one-of as is the Turbo. We went to Comp Turbo in LA to work with us on our design requirements for OUR engine, not your engine or anybody else's engine, but OUR engine. Oh, and I can certainly understand your questioning the costs. But actually they are higher than the $150K when and if you factor in development time and costs of having four engineers contributing their time away from thier families. However, I was incorrect in an earlier response in that I learned that the 150k included 30K for the car. So, the physical out of pocket costs for components should be $120 and going up monthly.