Fxiong09 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I read something interesting today and now I'm a bit curious. Can the Tribeca front sway bar fit our 4th gen legacy GT? Has anyone done this? I saw in the post that it fit on a 4th gen 2.5i and I've seen it on gen 1 legacy's. Are the 4th gen n/a and GT models front sway bar the same or at least the same fitment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 yes, it can. its 25mm too. have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I don't believe you can fit Tribeca's FSB on GT. Exhaust headers are different and get in the way. I have all 3 in the garage (see my sig) and we did fit Tribeca's FSB on 05 OB NA. Either 2.5i or 3.0 will work, but not turbo headers. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 the turbo headers do not get in the way. the exhaust path goes up to the turbo, away from the bar area. the GT bar wont fit an N/A since the GT bar does not have the provisions for the N/A exhaust. So, all bars fit the GT, but GT bars wont fit the N/A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just ordered the parts! Now to get a bigger rear swaybar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpydingo Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just ordered the parts! Now to get a bigger rear swaybar. Cost? Let us know how the install goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 My local dealer gives a great discount on parts, so the sway bar (20401XA00A) is $56 and the forester endlinks (20470SA011) were $24 each. I bought energy suspension 25mm bushings for 20 shipped. Otherwise you can buy the Tribeca bushings, but they need to be trimmed to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 dont buy OE bushings. get energy suspension universal bushings to fit a 25mm bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 the turbo headers do not get in the way. the exhaust path goes up to the turbo, away from the bar area. the GT bar wont fit an N/A since the GT bar does not have the provisions for the N/A exhaust. So, all bars fit the GT, but GT bars wont fit the N/A Interesting. I didn't know that. I have Perrin GT FSB off the car atm, wish I had the NA or Tribeca FSB laying around to test fit. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djemzine Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) My local dealer gives a great discount on parts, so the sway bar (20401XA00A) is $56 and the forester endlinks (20470SA011) were $24 each. I bought energy suspension 25mm bushings for 20 shipped. Otherwise you can buy the Tribeca bushings, but they need to be trimmed to fit. Is this the FSB or RSB? A very helpful thread indeed. Definitely something to consider, to upgrade my old sway bars that's on the car, along with the end links and bushings. At least I don't have to consider the Whiteline option. Definitely curious to see how the body roll is minimized with this thicker sway bar. Any reason why we have to choose Forester end links, vs say Tribeca/Legacy end links? Also do you have the part # for the Energy suspension bushings by chance? Edited November 29, 2018 by djemzine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Is this the FSB or RSB? A very helpful thread indeed. Definitely something to consider, to upgrade my old sway bars that's on the car, along with the end links and bushings. At least I don't have to consider the Whiteline option. Definitely curious to see how the body roll is minimized with this thicker sway bar. Any reason why we have to choose Forester end links, vs say Tribeca/Legacy end links? Also do you have the part # for the Energy suspension bushings by chance? This is the FSB setup. The Forester end links are beefy and last a long time. A subaru mechanic I know recommended this swap and used the Forester end links without issue. Here is the link for the bushings I ordered. https://www.energysuspensionparts.com/9.5129_front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djemzine Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 This is the FSB setup. The Forester end links are beefy and last a long time. A subaru mechanic I know recommended this swap and used the Forester end links without issue. Here is the link for the bushings I ordered. https://www.energysuspensionparts.com/9.5129_front Thanks for confirming! How about the rear sway bar from the Tribeca? Or do you recommend a STi rear sway bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Rear sway bars are different for the wagons. As far as I know, you will have to go after market to find a upgraded rear sway bar to go along with this bar. I am currently looking at AVO, Whiteline and Cusco. All of them are solid bars but I think the Cusco is 21mm vs the AVO and whiteline being 20mm. Make sure whatever you do, you buy the AVO sway bar mount kit otherwise you will break the sway bar mounts off the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxiong09 Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 So for the Forester end links, what years are compatible with our cars? Or are they all the same? What about for the Tribeca front sway bar? Are all years Tribeca parts the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I believe the sway is out of an 06 Tribeca and the ends links are from an 04 Fozz. But I just used the part numbers I supplied above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djemzine Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Rear sway bars are different for the wagons. As far as I know, you will have to go after market to find a upgraded rear sway bar to go along with this bar. I am currently looking at AVO, Whiteline and Cusco. All of them are solid bars but I think the Cusco is 21mm vs the AVO and whiteline being 20mm. Make sure whatever you do, you buy the AVO sway bar mount kit otherwise you will break the sway bar mounts off the car. Thanks for confirming. My choice was was the Whiteline sway bar, and I'll make note of the AVO sway bar mount kit. I am guessing Whiteline doesn't offer one? They make sway bar braces/mounts that reinforces to the rear LCAs. My next choice would be a STi sway bar, but its a wagon, so no luck. Unless of a hatch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berge56 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I think the sti sway bar is hollow so it's not as rigid and strong as the solid bars like whiteline, avo and cusco. The tribeca front bar is hollow too, so even tho it's 25mm it will perform like a 22 or 23mm solid bar. But for the price, you can't beat it. AVO is the only sway bar mount kit I've seen for the legacy and outback wagons. The whiteline braces you speak of I think are for the Impreza wrx/sti platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxiong09 Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 Thank you Berge56! Hopefully this information will be of use to the legacy GT community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulwaffle Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 FYI - forum member here also sells braces, and bushings: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html/?_saslop=1&_sasl=cke_ssp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djemzine Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I think the sti sway bar is hollow so it's not as rigid and strong as the solid bars like whiteline, avo and cusco. The tribeca front bar is hollow too, so even tho it's 25mm it will perform like a 22 or 23mm solid bar. But for the price, you can't beat it. AVO is the only sway bar mount kit I've seen for the legacy and outback wagons. The whiteline braces you speak of I think are for the Impreza wrx/sti platform. Noted! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchbp6 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 subscribed! This is very useful information!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildogck Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Rear sway bars are different for the wagons. As far as I know, you will have to go after market to find a upgraded rear sway bar to go along with this bar. I am currently looking at AVO, Whiteline and Cusco. All of them are solid bars but I think the Cusco is 21mm vs the AVO and whiteline being 20mm. Make sure whatever you do, you buy the AVO sway bar mount kit otherwise you will break the sway bar mounts off the car. The AVO rear is a 21mm, the front a 23mm. I have them both. Also the AVO brackets are NOT the only ones out there. CKE SSP (Me) I make HD and light duty in both steel and aluminum. I developed these because I also had the AVO reinforcement brackets and I don't like they way they affect straight line handling. I think mine solution is better, but most folks like to drink the orange kool-aid. The above is my light duty aluminum with the WL 20mm (its powdercoated) AND my 20mm rear bushing and strap upgrade kit. Can someone put a caliper on the Tribeca bar? I have a XRT tuning buddy who had a 3.0 Leggy sedan. He had Raptor headers and a custom exhaust. However, back then, he was saying it was a 26mm bar. I have done all the research I can on the dealer parts websites and I cannot find out for sure. Usually it will say on the part number pic, either the bar or the bushing. However nothing. Subaru usuall has a 23, on the 24mm bushing. A 25 on the 26mm, a 20 on the 21mm. They decrease the bushing ID 1mm under the bar diameter. All of the CKE SSP bushing are direct copies of the OEM.(complete with part number) The Tribeca bushing has a 235 on it the best I can view. That to me would mean 23.5 ... maybe. Either way the Tribeca bushing will not seat on the Gen4 subframe, it's a different shape. The Tribeca straps are outrageous, $40 each I think. If someone can put a caliper on a real life bar. I can make a bushing for it. And the Ascent or Gen5 Leggy front strap will work. The Gen5 requires some modification. The Ascent strap bolts right up. It would be similar to this on my front bar. This is the Gen5, and I am thinking the bushing from the 3.6R Leggy (2012-2014, 26mm bar is going to be the ticket. Edited November 30, 2018 by traildogck CKE SSP product information and sales : chris.ckessp@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildogck Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) This is why I think CKE SSP is better than AVO. I attached a thumbnail, Download it if you can't read it. Edited November 30, 2018 by traildogck CKE SSP product information and sales : chris.ckessp@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildogck Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I think the sti sway bar is hollow so it's not as rigid and strong as the solid bars like whiteline, avo and cusco. The tribeca front bar is hollow too, so even tho it's 25mm it will perform like a 22 or 23mm solid bar. I do not necessarily agree with this. Do you have any supporting data? I am not trying to be a "richard", but tubular steel pipe stock is stronger (resisting bending and twisting) than the same size solid stock. You never see custom (4) link suspensions made out of solid stock, NEVER. It's always a tube CKE SSP product information and sales : chris.ckessp@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildogck Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 This is the FSB setup. The Forester end links are beefy and last a long time. A subaru mechanic I know recommended this swap and used the Forester end links without issue. Here is the link for the bushings I ordered. https://www.energysuspensionparts.com/9.5129_front I have had Energy Suspensions sway bar brackets and bushing on other cars. All I can say is, come over to the dark side of real Subaru custom bushing. Those in the link are not garbage, but they are nothing special and were not very durable for my past applications when I used them. CKE SSP product information and sales : chris.ckessp@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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