covertrussian Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I want this to be a sharing thread to build a database of different intercoolers/setups, feel free to post your testing results! Intercooler - Turbo - User Stock TMIC - Evo III Big 16G - covertrussian Stock TMIC Pre-Intercooler Temps & Efficiency - Evo III Big 16G - covertrussian AVO v2 TMIC - BNR Evo III 16G - utc_pyro Grimmspeed TMIC - EFR 6758 - xtea Grimmspeed TMIC - BNR Evo III 16G - utc_pyro Template for New Posts: [b]Mods - [i]That Increase Turbo Efficiency or Intercooler Efficiency[/i][/b] Turbo: VF40 Boost: 15psi Intake: Stock Intercooler: Stock Exhaust: 3" Downpipe Catted, 3" Catback Heat Shielding: Turbo Blanket / Stock Turbo Heatshields Undertray: Yes - Stock Aero: Front Lip [size="3"] [center][b]Solo 2nd Gear Pull[/b][/center] [/size] [b]Ambient Temp:[/b] (Current outside temp from the dash gauge) [b]Pre-Turbo IAT:[/b] (Pre-Turbo temps usually from MAF IAT sensor) [b]Post IC Start IAT:[/b] (Post IC IAT right before the pull) [b]Post IC Redline IAT:[/b] (Post IC IAT at the redline of the pull) [b]Post IC IAT Rise:[/b] (Subtract ending temp from starting temp) [b]Post IC IAT Over Ambient:[/b] (Subtract ending temp from ambient temp) Graph/description [size="3"] [center][b]Multi Pull Stress Test[/b][/center] [/size] [b]Ambient Temp:[/b] [b]Pre-Turbo IAT:[/b] [b]Post IC Start IAT:[/b] [b]Post IC Highest IAT:[/b] (After 5-7 pulls, peak IAT, which might not be the last pull!) [b]Post IC IAT Rise:[/b] [b]Post IC IAT Over Ambient:[/b] Graph/description 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 I've been curious on how well stock intercooler works. Thanks to utc_pyro's suggestion on wiring an IAT sensor to the EGT input, this is a reality. Details on how I installed mine can be found here. Mods Turbo: Evo 3 Big 16g 8cm housing Boost: 13-14psi Intake: Custom 3" CAI in Wheel well & Perrin 2.4" STI Inlet Intercooler: TMIC - Stock Exhaust: GS 3" DP, 3" Single Exit Catback. No Heatshields on header or Turbo Heat Shielding: None, no header or turbo heatshields Undertray: Yes - Stock Aero: S204 Front Lip Stock Turbo Pre-Intercooler Testing & Efficiency Solo 2nd Gear Pull These pulls are done in 2nd gear at different temp ranges to compare the intercooler efficiency as ambient temperature changes. The Exhaust Gas Temperature line is the post intercooler intake air temperature feed in these graphs. Ambient Temp: 33F Pre-Turbo IAT: 37F Post IC Start IAT: 35.8F Post IC Redline IAT: 51.5F Post IC IAT Rise: 15.7F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 18.5F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262170&stc=1&d=1519137626 Ambient Temp: 47F Pre-Turbo IAT: 50F Post IC Start IAT: 52.7F Post IC Redline IAT: 64.4F Post IC IAT Rise: 11.7F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 17.4F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262171&stc=1&d=1519137626 Ambient Temp: 59F Pre-Turbo IAT: 63F Post IC Start IAT: 64.4F Post IC Redline IAT: 77.7F Post IC IAT Rise: 13.3F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 18.7F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262172&stc=1&d=1519137626 Custom CAI: Ambient Temp: 74F Pre-Turbo IAT: 81F Post IC Start IAT: 80.3F Post IC Redline IAT: 90.2F Post IC IAT Rise: 9.9F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 16.2F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262198&stc=1&d=1519184410 Stock Intake: Ambient Temp: 76F Pre-Turbo IAT: 81F Post IC Start IAT: 80.7F Post IC Redline IAT: 91.8F Post IC IAT Rise: 11.1F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 15.8F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262195&stc=1&d=1519184410 Multi Pull Stress Test Next up is a stress test to see how high the post IC temps would rise up from doing back to back 2nd gear pulls. Ambient Temp: 44F Pre-Turbo IAT: 47F Post IC Start IAT: 50F Post IC Highest IAT: 84F Post IC IAT Rise: 34F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 40F At 44F ambient post IC temps start at 50F, by end of first pull it's 68f, second pull 78F, third pull 83F, fourth pull 84, after that temps stopped rising at 34F over the starting IAT. That equals to 40F over ambient. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262173&stc=1&d=1519137626 Ambient Temp: 58F Pre-Turbo IAT: 65F Post IC Start IAT: 65.5F Post IC Highest IAT: 96.1F Post IC IAT Rise: 30.6F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 38.1F Starts at 65.5F, first pull 78.1F, 2nd 87.5F, 3rd 91.2F, 4th 93F, 5th 96.1F. After 5th pull I had to make a sharp turn and couldn't floor it right of way, so 6th pull cooled down to 91.6F and 7th 94.3F. This just shows how fast stock IC sheds the heat. That's 30.6F total temp rise and 38.1F rise over ambient. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262174&stc=1&d=1519137626 Custom CAI: Ambient Temp: 74F Pre-Turbo IAT: 81F Post IC Start IAT: 79.9F Post IC Highest IAT: 116.8F Post IC IAT Rise: 36.9F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 42.8F Start 79.9F, 1st 98.3F, 2nd 108.7F, 3rd 112.3F, 4th 111.8F, 5th 113.2F, 6th 114.1F, 7th 116.8F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262197&stc=1&d=1519184410 Stock Intake: Ambient Temp: 75F Pre-Turbo IAT: 82F Post IC Start IAT: 81.4F Post IC Highest IAT: 118.8F Post IC IAT Rise: 37.4F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 43.8F Start 81.4F, 1st 98.0F, 2nd 107.7F, 3rd 112.5F, 4th 111.2F, 5th 113.2F, 6th 117.4F, 7th 118.8F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262196&stc=1&d=1519184410 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utc_pyro Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Covertrussian asked me to post this, even though he did the analysis Mods Turbo: BNR Evo 3 16g Boost: 14-15psi Intake: Stock w/Perrin Inlet Intercooler: AVO v2 Exhaust: Tomei ELH, CNT Catted DP, Ividia Q300 catback Undertray: Yes - Stock Shielding: Lava Turbo Blanket + Grimmspeed Turbo Heat Shield + Lava up/downpipe wrap + DEI Refletive Gold on TMIC Single 2nd Gear Pull 52*f Starts at 64F post IC, 90F by readline, and peaks at 95F. This is 43F above ambient. Stress Test 52f Three second gear pulls in a row. After the third pull it hit 130F, so a wopping 78F over ambient So yeah, this thing has issues. And it's not just mine that has this problem, see this FLIR video on youtube: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sveQ7R95g0]2005 Legacy GT AVO TMIC - YouTube[/ame] That video is stationary on a dyno, but it shows that the IC heating up very rapidly like it had a low thermal mass. This got a lot hotter than the same posters video of other intercoolers, including stock ones. When driving along though my intercooler airflow study showes that we still get a lot of air flow even at the lower speeds we're testing this at. If just lack of airflow was the issue, we wouldnt see the huge rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infosecdad Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Remind me, what heatshielding/turbo wrap setup do you have? Oh, that's not your video... I missed that the first time. I don't know what fans they may or may not have had for that run, much less what they had for heat shielding from the turbo, so it's hard to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utc_pyro Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Remind me, what heatshielding/turbo wrap setup do you have? Oh, that's not your video... I missed that the first time. I don't know what fans they may or may not have had for that run, much less what they had for heat shielding from the turbo, so it's hard to say... As you said that’s not my video, but I have a generic “lava” turbo blanket and Grimmspeed heat shield over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Forgot to mention that I have 0 heatshields on my setup, GS DP's flange is too thick for my stock bolts for the turbo heat shield, need to get some longer bolts... As for the video, it's a little unfair since it's on a stationary dyno with no fan, but it is cool to watch it get hot! 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infosecdad Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I get fascinated whenever someone is trying to go after real data to understand what is working or not. I'm tempted to try this with my setup as well. I have an infrared thermometer that I can try to hit my AVO TMIC with after a number of pulls, but that's technically not what you all are doing with the GM IAT measuring the air temp of what's entering the throttle body. I have a PTP turbo blanket, stock heat-shield, and SPT heat-shield (both with gold reflective tape) over my VF-52; and gold reflective tape on the end tanks of my AVO. I'd be curious to learn how much that actually helps beyond my perception that it's about all I can possibly do to help. I have a stock intake box with AVO inlet to the VF-52. utc_pryo, did I miss your post about how you tapped and wired up the IAT sensor? Yeah, that video sure shows how a turbo can heat soak a TMIC really quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utc_pyro Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I get fascinated whenever someone is trying to go after real data to understand what is working or not. I'm tempted to try this with my setup as well. I have an infrared thermometer that I can try to hit my AVO TMIC with after a number of pulls, but that's technically not what you all are doing with the GM IAT measuring the air temp of what's entering the throttle body. I have a PTP turbo blanket, stock heat-shield, and SPT heat-shield (both with gold reflective tape) over my VF-52; and gold reflective tape on the end tanks of my AVO. I'd be curious to learn how much that actually helps beyond my perception that it's about all I can possibly do to help. I have a stock intake box with AVO inlet to the VF-52. utc_pryo, did I miss your post about how you tapped and wired up the IAT sensor? Yeah, that video sure shows how a turbo can heat soak a TMIC really quickly. Here is the post where I installed it Here is Covertrussian's install I'm about to move my IAT senor into the throttle body hose so I can use the current port as a boost reference location. As you're local, we could swap the modified hose and wiring harness into your car and test your intercooler/turbo combo. AVO went through a few revisions, so oyu may have a different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Since my turbo Infiniti G20 has a much more ideal FMIC setup, I wanted to do the same kind of testing and see how it compares to the Legacy. Mods Engine: FWD SR20DE+T Turbo: Garret GT28r + Disco (GT2860r) Compressor Housing Boost: 10psi Intake: 3" Intake inside Engine Bay Intercooler: FMIC - Precision 350hp Exhaust: 3" Single Exit Catback. Turbo Manifold heatshield only Undertray: None Aero: None For reference here is the picture of the engine bay, notice that the intake is sucking in engine bay air. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=261953&stc=1&d=1518667782 Solo 2nd Gear Pull Ambient Temp: 58F Pre-Turbo IAT: n/a (hot) Post IC Start IAT: 59F Post IC Redline IAT: 68F Post IC IAT Rise: 9F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 10F First pull of the night: Post intercooler temps start at 59F and hit 68F by redline, which is 9F of rise and 10F over ambient. What's interesting is on decel it instantly goes down to 64F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=261950&stc=1&d=1518668316 Multi Pull Stress Test Ambient Temp: 58F Pre-Turbo IAT: n/a (hot) Post IC Start IAT: 69F Post IC Highest IAT: 100F Post IC IAT Rise: 31F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 42F These were done after three 2nd gear pulls, IAT's wouldn't go down to ambient no matter how much I drove, they were stuck at least 10F above ambient after those three initial pulls. IAT start at 69F, 1st pull: 80F, 2nd: 86F, 3rd: 91F, 4th: 95F, 5th: 96F, 6th: 100F, 7th: 100F. That's 31F rise from start to 7th pull, and 42F rise over ambient. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=261951&stc=1&d=1518668316 86F Ambient - Autocross I dug up an autocross log from one of the laps during a hot 86F event. Idling I would get 134F, but during the lap it actually dropped down to 120-122F, then back to 134F while waiting for next turn. Even during that hot day, IAT's were only 36F higher then ambient. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=261952&stc=1&d=1518668316 Conclusion: Even with a proper FMIC setup and less boost, I still had 10F rise in temp by redline at 58F.The 2nd gear stress test still pushed the temps into 100's even with a non-engine bay mounted intercooler.Legacy's TMIC drops temps MUCH faster and can get back down to ambient temps, no matter how much I drove around G20's temps would still be 10F above ambient. This could be because the Legacy has a proper cold air intake, while G20 has a warm air intake. Also G20's IAT sensor in an aluminum pipe inches from throttle body, so it might heat soak.Maybe TMIC is not so bad.... 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtea Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Ok, someone do Grimmspeed! Love seeing it put to rest that the stock intercooler is better then avo, and probably perrin with bp mod. I have a post intercooler iat and ap v2 w/ grimmspeed. I can maybe do some logging tomorrow. I can't make the data pretty but I can send the excel file to someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Ok, someone do Grimmspeed! Love seeing it put to rest that the stock intercooler is better then avo, and probably perrin with bp mod. I have a post intercooler iat and ap v2 w/ grimmspeed. I can maybe do some logging tomorrow. I can't make the data pretty but I can send the excel file to someone. YES!!!! I'll send you a PM with some more details on how I test and my email. If you send me the logs I'll graph them. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino6303 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I'm thinking of putting an iat sensor post intercooler just in case I ever go speed density. Has anyone ever used a vacuum port that you install in a vacuum hose? Like this: www.siliconeintakes.com/holset-turbocharger/-p-500.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utc_pyro Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I'm thinking of putting an iat sensor post intercooler just in case I ever go speed density. Has anyone ever used a vacuum port that you install in a vacuum hose? Like this: www.siliconeintakes.com/holset-turbocharger/-p-500.html I have one of these on the way, will let you know how it works in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino6303 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I have one of these on the way, will let you know how it works in a few weeks.Thanks. I'm hesitant to cut a hole in my grimmspeed outlet hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtea Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Thanks to Covert for graphing these for me. Excel wasn't taught in high school in 96. Mods Turbo: EFR 6758 Boost: 26psi Intake: Custom 3" in wheel well. Intercooler: Grimmspeed TMIC unpainted Exhaust: Full Race 1.5 scroll EL header, modifed STI uppipe for rotated, 3" straight with AVO mufflers Undertray: Yes - Stock Shielding: Lava Turbo Blanket + Lava up/downpipe wrap + DEI Cool Tape + Thermal Coating on Headers. Single 2nd Gear Pull 16 degree ambient 7 pulls 9 pulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 How does the EFR 6758 turbo compare to VF or Mitsubishi turbos, which one would be the closest? Based on the solo 2nd gear pull it looks like temp rises 4F, but repeated pulls are only 2F per pull. I would love to see similar pulls at at 40-50F! 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtea Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Ill do more logs when it gets to 50. The 6758 on e85 and 26psi breaks 300wtq at 3150 and stays above till redline. It breaks 400wtq at 3400 and doesnt go below till just after 5000. My charts are in the dyno section. Its like a 16g with dom 1.5 up top. My build is drop in ready for a 7163. Hoping to do back to back dyno comparisons this summer or next. Most of those second gear pulls i was spinning tires. It was cold but I do have hakka r2’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Thanks to Covert for graphing these for me. Excel wasn't taught in high school in 96. Completely missed this! I'm actually using a tool build by a RomRaider member "vgi". It's called MAFScaling. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Was able to do a ~60F test yesterday. Solo Pull Ambient: 59F Post IC IAT at start of the pull: 64.4F, by redline 77.7F, that's 13.3F total rise in temp and 18.7F over ambient http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262172&stc=1&d=1519137626 Stress Test Ambient: 58F Starts at 65.5F before the pull, first pull 78.1F, 2nd 87.5F, 3rd 91.2F, 4th 93F, 5th 96.1F. After 5th pull I had to make a sharp turn and couldn't floor it right of way, so 6th pull cooled down to 91.6F and 7th 94.3F. This just shows how fast stock IC sheds the heat. That's 30.6F total temp rise and 38.1F rise over ambient. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262174&stc=1&d=1519137626 What's interesting is, the warmer the ambient temp is, the lower the total IAT rise is: At 44F I hat a 34F IAT rise and 40F rise over ambient. I'm going to try to do this test with stock intake today. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtea Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Hair dryer has a limit to how hot its going to blow how fast at what psi. If you want to create the greatest difference between ambient and post ic iat then the colder it is the greater that difference will be. When 60 degree air meets 60 degree air they dont add to each other but 30 meeting 60 will net something in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 More off, I'm surprised that with much colder air blowing through the intercooler, that it rises higher. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utc_pyro Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The heat rise from the turbo charger is a result of the adiabatic compression for the air. Thus there really isn't a limit of how hot it can get unlike a hair drier, it going to be dependent on the inlet temperature and pressure ratio. Let’s look at the physics! Key: Ta = Ambient temperature (absolute) T1 = Turbo inlet temperature (absolute) T2 = Turbo Outlet Temperature (absolute) T3 = Intercooler Outlet Temperature (absolute) P1 = Turbo inlet pressure (absolute) P2 = Turbo Outlet pressure (absolute) P3 = Intercooler Outlet pressure (absolute) PR = P2/P1 - turbocharger Pressure ratio (absolute) Teff = Turbocharger Effiency Ieff = Intercooler Effiency In an ideal world, due to Adiabatic compression, the turbocharger’s output would be: T2 = T1*(PR)^.286 + T1 In reality, the turbo charger isnt 100% efficiency. The actual effiency can be found on the compressor map for a given PR and flow rate. This makes the output T2 = [(T1*(PR)^.286)-T1]/Teff + T1 Intercooler efficiency should be more or less constant with cooling airflow rate. The thermal mass of the intercooler will cause the rise and fall in temperature to lag from that theoretical efficiency, and there is an absolute limit to how much heat the thing can reject, but let's ignore that and focus on the stress test values once the max out. That gives: T3 = T2 - (T2-Ta)*Ieff So how does a change in ambient effect all this? Let's fix the PR at 2, Ta=T1, Teff = 70%, Ieff = 70% and see. Let's also use a -3*C and 27*c day to make math easy. Hot day (27c) T2 = (300k*2^.286-300k)/70% + 300K T2 = 394K T3 = 394k - (394k-300k)*70% T3 - 328K, 55c, or a rise of 28c over ambient. Cold day (-3c) T2 = (270K*2^.286-270k)/70% + 270K T2 = 311k T3 = 311k - (311K-270K)*70% T3 = 282k, 9C, or a rise of 12c over ambient. So it interesting you're seeing a higher rise at low temperature, as the math suggest it should go the opposite. Edit: also the math shows inlet temperature and depression has a major effect on the outlet temperature. Anything you can do to give a cooler charge with less pressure drop will reduce the heat added to the system. That said intercooler effiency has an even bigger impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Did some more tests today since it hit 75*F. I tested my custom CAI and stock intake, temp wise the difference was negligible . Gonna post mainly raw data, graphs can be found in my main post. Solo Pulls: Custom CAI listed First / Stock Intake Second Ambient Temp: 74F / 76F Pre-Turbo IAT: 81F / 81F Post IC Start IAT: 80.3F / 80.7F Post IC Redline IAT: 90.2F / 91.8F Post IC IAT Rise: 9.9F / 11.1F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 16.2F / 15.8 7 Pull Stress Test: Custom CAI listed First / Stock Intake Second Ambient Temp: 74F / 75F Pre-Turbo IAT: 81F / 82F Post IC Start IAT: 79.9F / 81.4F Post IC Highest IAT: 116.8F / 118.8F Post IC IAT Rise: 36.9F / 37.4F Post IC IAT Over Ambient: 42.8F / 43.8F Custom CAI: Start 79.9F, 1st 98.3F, 2nd 108.7F, 3rd 112.3F, 4th 111.8F, 5th 113.2F, 6th 114.1F, 7th 116.8F Stock Intake: Start 81.4F, 1st 98.0F, 2nd 107.7F, 3rd 112.5F, 4th 111.2F, 5th 113.2F, 6th 117.4F, 7th 118.8F http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262196&stc=1&d=1519184410 What's really interesting is how quickly the IAT temp would drop when it was above 110F, withing couple seconds it would be at 100F, then would take another 30 sec to drop to 90F and another 30 sec to drop to low 80's. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 I installed another temp sensor, this time right before the intercooler. This allowed me to measure how efficient the stock intercooler is, which is very important for being able to compare one intercooler to another on different setups. First will start off with a stress test, at 40F ambient, pre-intercooler temps hit 180-205F temps! http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262628&stc=1&d=1520060281 Next is a solo 2nd gear pull with bunch of data graphed to show relations between each other. Keep in mind that since I couldn't log pre and post IC temps at the same time, I did two separate pulls and combined the data together, it's not gonna be 100% accurate but close enough. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=262629&stc=1&d=1520060281 With that data logged I can now take it a step further and calculate the intercooler efficiency. Formula: Intercooler Efficiency = (Pre IC Temp - Post IC Temp) / (Pre IC Temp - Ambient) Ambient temp was at 39F, but notice the MAF IAT, even though it was cold and windy stock intake refused to go down to ambient temps like my cold air intake would. RPM PSI IAT Pre-IC Post-IC Diff Efficiency 2090 1.29 48 75.8 49.5 26.3 71% 2163 1.54 48 75.8 49.5 26.3 71% 2201 1.8 48 75.8 49.5 26.3 71% 2232 2.09 48 76.5 49.5 27 72% 2332 2.33 48 76.5 49.5 27 72% 2310 2.64 48 77.2 49.5 27.7 73% 2402 2.94 48 77.2 49.5 27.7 73% 2430 3.27 48 77.2 49.5 27.7 73% 2500 3.61 48 77.9 49.5 28.4 73% 2544 3.96 48 78.6 49.5 29.1 73% 2629 4.38 48 78.6 49.5 29.1 73% 2674 4.84 48 79.3 49.5 29.8 74% 2710 5.35 48 80 49.5 30.5 74% 2798 5.99 48 81.4 49.5 31.9 75% 2850 6.83 48 82.8 49.5 33.3 76% 2927 7.53 48 82.8 49.5 33.3 76% 2967 8.32 48 84.8 49.5 35.3 77% 3064 9.07 48 86.9 49.5 37.4 78% 3111 10 48 89.7 49.5 40.2 79% 3184 11.2 48 89.7 49.5 40.2 79% 3298 12.32 48 92.5 50.2 42.3 79% 3337 13.22 48 96.6 50.2 46.4 81% 3473 13.34 48 100.8 50.2 50.6 82% 3492 13.41 48 100.8 50.2 50.6 82% 3609 13.35 48 104.9 50.2 54.7 83% 3638 13.33 48 109.1 50.9 58.2 83% 3780 13.33 48 113.9 50.9 63 84% 3859 13.29 48 113.9 50.9 63 84% 3966 13.33 48 118.1 50.9 67.2 85% 3994 13.27 48 122.9 51.6 71.3 85% 4107 13.38 48 127.1 51.6 75.5 86% 4235 13.23 48 130.5 52.3 78.2 85% 4300 13.33 48 130.5 52.3 78.2 85% 4418 13.27 48 134 52.3 81.7 86% 4454 13.21 48 137.5 52.3 85.2 86% 4592 13.12 48 140.9 53 87.9 86% 4644 13 48 140.9 53 87.9 86% 4758 12.95 48 143.7 53 90.7 87% 4872 12.89 48 146.5 53.7 92.8 86% 4950 12.82 48 148.5 53.7 94.8 87% 5050 12.7 48 148.5 54.4 94.1 86% 5074 12.6 48 150.6 54.4 96.2 86% 5213 12.59 48 153.4 55.1 98.3 86% 5257 12.5 48 156.8 55.8 101 86% 5425 12.41 48 156.8 55.8 101 86% 5465 12.33 48 159.6 55.8 103.8 86% 5593 12.28 48 162.4 56.5 105.9 86% 5655 12.15 48 164.5 57.2 107.3 85% 5668 12.07 48 166.5 57.2 109.3 86% 5760 11.92 48 166.5 57.8 108.7 85% 5913 11.94 48 168.6 58.5 110.1 85% 5983 12.04 48 170.7 59.2 111.5 85% 5992 12.24 48 172.8 59.2 113.6 85% 6070 12.3 48 172.8 59.9 112.9 84% 6140 12.22 48 174.8 60.5 114.3 84% 6293 12.09 48 176.9 62 114.9 83% 6367 11.99 48 179 62 117 84% Well there you have it, the stock intercooler is up to 87% efficient at removing charge heat on these solo pulls, that's flipping amazing. Now cold weather probably did help, but even at 77F I measured only 11*F post intercooler temp rise, which tells me it should be just as efficient still. What about intercooler efficiency during a stress test? Sadly since I can't log both pre and post IC temps, and I didn't think about doing a stress test with post-IC temps I'm extrapolating the post IC temps from my 44*F stress test. Ambient temp: 40F RPM PSI Pre-IC Post-IC Diff Efficiency 2318 3.14 157.5 81.5 76 65% 2370 3.46 157.5 81.5 76 65% 2400 3.85 156.8 81.5 75.3 64% 2483 4.21 155.5 80.6 74.9 65% 2548 4.62 154.8 80.6 74.2 65% 2620 5.06 154.8 79.7 75.1 65% 2657 5.58 154.1 79.7 74.4 65% 2703 6.13 153.4 79.7 73.7 65% 2789 6.82 152.7 79.7 73 65% 2862 7.86 152.7 78.8 73.9 66% 2936 8.65 152.7 78.8 73.9 66% 2972 9.67 153.4 78.8 74.6 66% 3072 10.61 154.1 78.8 75.3 66% 3134 11.83 155.5 77.9 77.6 67% 3266 12.95 155.5 77.9 77.6 67% 3329 13.61 157.5 77.9 79.6 68% 3376 13.68 159.6 77.9 81.7 68% 3480 13.61 161.7 77.9 83.8 69% 3568 13.61 161.7 77.9 83.8 69% 3683 13.54 163.1 77.9 85.2 69% 3748 13.53 165.2 77.9 87.3 70% 3870 13.57 166.5 77.9 88.6 70% 3896 13.51 166.5 77.9 88.6 70% 4049 13.48 167.9 77 90.9 71% 4124 13.44 169.3 77 92.3 71% 4195 13.46 171.4 77 94.4 72% 4270 13.44 172.8 77 95.8 72% 4374 13.45 172.8 77 95.8 72% 4502 13.41 174.2 77 97.2 72% 4570 13.31 175.5 77 98.5 73% 4706 13.33 176.9 77 99.9 73% 4727 13.22 176.9 77 99.9 73% 4841 13.22 178.3 77 101.3 73% 4912 13.1 180.4 77 103.4 74% 5016 13.07 181.8 77.9 103.9 73% 5130 12.94 181.8 77.9 103.9 73% 5230 12.87 183.2 77.9 105.3 74% 5313 12.76 184.5 77.9 106.6 74% 5355 12.74 185.9 77.9 108 74% 5430 12.61 187.3 77.9 109.4 74% 5530 12.5 187.3 77.9 109.4 74% 5598 12.4 189.4 78.8 110.6 74% 5752 12.31 190.8 78.8 112 74% 5831 12.23 192.2 78.8 113.4 75% 5837 12.23 192.2 78.8 113.4 75% 5930 12.37 193.5 78.8 114.7 75% 6074 12.55 194.9 79.7 115.2 74% 6150 12.49 196.3 80.6 115.7 74% 6170 12.37 196.3 80.6 115.7 74% 6233 12.21 198.4 80.6 117.8 74% 6399 12.17 199.8 80.6 119.2 75% 6460 12.14 201.2 80.6 120.6 75% These are slightly underrated since I used 40F as ambient instead of 44F (which costs about 3%). Even with a heat soaking stress test stock intercooler maintained up to 75% efficiency, that's still very impressive! 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlvsac Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Great thread. I am looking forward to seeing how some of the aftermarket TMIC's stack up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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