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Note for people outside of Australia: 'Dose' refers to the turbo chatter when off throttle boost.

 

Hey all,

 

Have an 04 liberty with custom intake and blow off valve that's on really tight. The car has the factory VF38 turbo, and doses well except for one admittedly unessesary issue.

 

It's sorta low pitched. Not really a SUTUTUTU sound but more like a low pitch shoo-shoo-shoo.

 

Running an aluminium intake pipe with a pod filter too, wondering if theres any tricks to get a higher pitch dose

 

Thanks!

 

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Compressor surge is when the boost pressure 'surges' past what the engine is capable of using (only ON throttle). I'm referring to flutter off throttle, where boost pressure just exits from the turbo compressor

 

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Even less wise on a VF38 since they love to wreck themselves even when looked after reasonably well.

Ah damn, never knew. Just got into Subies so getting used to the complicated pros and cons of each turbo they decide to put into whatever iteration of a certain engine.

 

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After some playing around, I believe that there is a high pitch sound but just for an extremely short amount of time. As the flutter is fast and short, maybe a front mount intercooler will increase the volume of air going back in. I'll record the intake with some of my studio equipment and slow it down to kind of simulate the effect of a front mount.

 

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Is your BOV adjustable? If so is it set to 100% VTA? (full ricer mode)

 

I bought a GFB specifically so I can do this. I generally run it somewhere around 90% recirc/10% VTA, which is just enough PSSHHH to make my inner ricer happy.

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I definitely understand the novelty. Don't you have to tune for that as well??

 

I prefer the sleeper status. Around my neck of the woods I'd get harassed by every Mustang boy racer in the county, and I'm getting a little old for constant shenanigans.

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I definitely understand the novelty. Don't you have to tune for that as well??

 

I prefer the sleeper status. Around my neck of the woods I'd get harassed by every Mustang boy racer in the county, and I'm getting a little old for constant shenanigans.

 

It shouldn't effect the tune. On full recirc it behaves exactly like the stock bov, maybe reacting slightly quicker. With any amount of vent to atmosphere, it will go rich for about as much time as it takes to shift to the next gear. I can probably adjust the tune to be slightly happier about it, but at my current setting I don't really notice any problems from it. I don't mind it dumping a bit of extra fuel into the exhaust, it tends to crackle nicely on upshifts, keeping my inner ricer happy.

 

Obviously venting more means it goes rich for longer, but I didn't notice too much of a stumble even when I briefly drove around with it cranked all the way open just to see how loud it was.

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Alright, hooked up a good mic to my audio interface and ran it in front of the intake. Here's the un-edited clip:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6q-u4tYLUQ4eTVoTWU2aDBKWm8/view

 

 

I used audacity to slow it down (Extremely high sample rate recording so not too much quality loss), and applied some EQ to cut off some background drone. Obviously this clip is cut up to save time.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6q-u4tYLUQ4ZWlIVmdEWWZWVG8/view

 

Need a second opinion if a front mount will give me that higher pitch, slow chatter off throttle. Not sure if its just me, but especially in the last rev of the slowmo clip, that high pitch whistle from the turbo can be heard. Open to all opinions.

 

Thanks.

 

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Remove/block off BOV and it's louder if you have an aluminum intake with pod filter. That's all you need to do. I generally ran no bov on any of my turbo cars (t25, t28, hx40, he351, ct26) without a problem. Only time I would use one is if the turbo has ceramic blades.

 

As you said before it's called turbo flutter and no compressor surge (that majority of people confuse it with...even confused with wastegate chatter)

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Remove/block off BOV and it's louder if you have an aluminum intake with pod filter. That's all you need to do. I generally ran no bov on any of my turbo cars (t25, t28, hx40, he351, ct26) without a problem. Only time I would use one is if the turbo has ceramic blades.

 

As you said before it's called turbo flutter and no compressor surge (that majority of people confuse it with...even confused with wastegate chatter)

Exactly what I already have, the BOV spring is tight so it pretty much doesn't open.

 

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It drove me nuts on my car when it was running.. I suspect it's something larger than 16G or 18G.. I can't find much info on the turbo the blade design was the double blades for the intake side.. but that's all I have to go off of.

 

 

Boy my wheel bearing sounded bad in this video

 

I remember getting on the ramp from my house and I went to shift and get back on the throttle I let a nice large cloud of black smoke behind me.. but it was not something that always happened.. I'm going to go full recirculation

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  • 7 months later...

Whoops, Late reply much. After some experimentation with boost levels and volume with piping, A VF38 (Standard turbo on JDM and AUDM Legacy GT's 04-06) will get a really nice resonant flutter. Not very high pitched, but very noticeable and airey. I got this using an aluminum cut plate to block the diverter valve, along with a pod air filter using a 3 inch stainless steel pipe with a housing for the MAF sensor replacing the stock plastic intake piping.

 

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Running without a BPV/BOW will get you the high pitched sound you're after sooner or later... A failling turbo.
VF38 is still going strong, just upgraded to an aftermarket turbo and getting a much better sound than compressor blades scraping ;)

 

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