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Could be, if auto it could be shifting past the stumble before you notice it, or if auto is choppy anyway.

 

At first I didn't get the stumble either, it took me finding an uphill road (plenty of them here) and forcefully keeping RPM's at 2.5-3k, since I usually am at 2k rpm thus below the stumble zone.

 

next time i come up the hill from the ferry dock i will try this . 2500-3000rpm. does gear matter?

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Its an RPM/load. 2.5k to 3k with a slight incline usually triggers it. None of my own cars have ever shown the stumble. But I have lots of logs showing it happen in customers cars.

 

Before my engine blew this is exactly how I would have described it. Hoping the new engine comes without this quirk.

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Before my engine blew this is exactly how I would have described it. Hoping the new engine comes without this quirk.

 

id argue its not the engine itself. the long block i mean. something auxiliary. aka the fpr some are saying.

 

theoretically if it is something auxiliary and it gets taken from the old engine and installed onto the new one you may have the same issue.

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My 09 Spec B has it on the highway climbing hills. Very slightly. No one else in the car can feel it, only me when the rpms at 2400-2600. It goes away about 3000rpm. Edited by Max Capacity

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It will always come back as the ECM learns. The trick is to stop the ECM learning in the specific blocks required. You need to extend the fuel lines and source a manifold reference point for the FPR (not a single runner, but the plenum). No need to replace the FPR.

 

Took your advice and ran a plenum source for the fpr. I didn't reset the Ecu and went for a drive. Immediately I noticed less of the stumble. How do you stop the Ecu from relearning the stumble? I have the sti fpr right next to me and it's tempting to install just for simplicity sake. TIA

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Took your advice and ran a plenum source for the fpr. I didn't reset the Ecu and went for a drive. Immediately I noticed less of the stumble. How do you stop the Ecu from relearning the stumble? I have the sti fpr right next to me and it's tempting to install just for simplicity sake. TIA

 

If you install the sti fpr along with your relocated fpr signal to the plenum, you may not have a stumble to worry about :) ymmv

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Took your advice and ran a plenum source for the fpr. I didn't reset the Ecu and went for a drive. Immediately I noticed less of the stumble. How do you stop the Ecu from relearning the stumble? I have the sti fpr right next to me and it's tempting to install just for simplicity sake. TIA

 

I would recommend contacting a professional tuner for assistance in that matter. But, there is free software that can be used to do it.

 

I have had some cars where the owners no longer felt any stumble with just the mechanical fixes. We got into the tuning side of the fix quite a bit after the mechanical side as it seemed to work for many customers.

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I would recommend contacting a professional tuner for assistance in that matter. But, there is free software that can be used to do it.

 

I have had some cars where the owners no longer felt any stumble with just the mechanical fixes. We got into the tuning side of the fix quite a bit after the mechanical side as it seemed to work for many customers.

 

The car was etuned by Cryotune last yr. I decided I'm going to put some miles on the reset Ecu and see what happens. I'll report back shortly. Thanks guys.

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Its an RPM/load. 2.5k to 3k with a slight incline usually triggers it. None of my own cars have ever shown the stumble. But I have lots of logs showing it happen in customers cars.

 

Which parameter(s) show the stumble in logs?

 

My car had a tiny amount of stumble so I didn't look into it much. But I see so much discussion of it, I can't help but be curious.

 

Mine went away completely with a new motor but that's a prohibitively expensive way to tackle the problem. :)

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Installed the Sti FPR and reset the ecu about a week ago. Ive been driving around hoping that the stumble didnt return and so far so good. Sending logs to Dave @ Cryotune shortly and will report back. Overall the car feels so much smoother at the usual stumble rpm of 2500-3000. I did notice that the Sti FPR is a bit noisey on startup for some reason. It goes away once the engine is revved fwiw. Not concerned about a bit of noise for smooth driveability though.

 

One thing I noticed and experimented with was that after I installed the Sti FPR I didnt reset the ecu. The stumble was still noticeable. After resetting everything the car has actually gotten smoother as I have put miles on it. Granted, there is a small stumble from time to time but this is a Subaru after all... Overall I'm happy with things. A huge thanks to all those involved in this thread.

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I noticed that noise a little too. Sort of like you can hear the fuel whooshing through the regulator at idle. Seems like it only happens when the fuel pump is at 33% duty cycle (idle for example), as soon as you hit the throttle it disappears. But like you, I think it was a minor inconvenience, and because racecar (palindrome) and all that.
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I took off the upper fuel line before and added a larger fuel line. Did notice better response without major stumble, a little better than before. The only problem I had is the fuel line would blow off because I didn't had it connected over the crimped side of the fuel rail line. Going to give it a try again tonight with securing the front and back of the crimp line to help secure it better. Getting tired of my car going in/out of "limp" mode because of it.
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Install a new fuel line and this time I pushed over the crimped side and clamped it on both sides. Ran it around last night and felt better, smoother. This morning it ran even better when it popped out of "limp" mode. If the "limp" mode comes back in a week, I know it's related to something else. Otherwise, the car ran great with very very little stumble.
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I had completely forgotten about this mod. Since the rebuild I have yet to experience this stumble. Was usually feeling it running up hill on the freeway. Not clear yet if it's the new HW or the current tune. Only fuel change made was the new DW65C pump.
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Here's pic's of what I did.

 

Here's the area we're talking about,

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x40/92Si/DSCN7065_zpsnuqhll3d.jpg

 

Here's my take.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x40/92Si/DSCN7341_zpsroninchk.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x40/92Si/DSCN7339_zpsizg2evto.jpg

 

Updating this because of photobucket...

 

 

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Looks good, Max. Much smoother signal to the FPR this way, rather than the pulsations of the stock location.
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