Underdog Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 As others have hinted at, there is a lot of variation between trim level and model year. The early GT models used aluminum hoods, but that switch to steel in ~'07 due to material costs. The power adjustable leather seats also add quite a bit of weight over the manual cloth seats. The automatics, 6MT, and 3.0R motor all add a fair amount of weight. In 2005 the lightest model was the 2.5i 5MT Legacy sedan in base trim, which was 3,200lbs curb weight. The heaviest was the 3.0R 5EAT Outback wagon in limited trim, which was 3,630lbs. By 2009 those models had grown to 3,275lbs and 3,636lbs respectively. The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 So not racecar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Aftermarket wheels, strip out the interior and as much custom carbon fiber as you can afford. ....becuz racecar. Why in the world are the 05-09 subaru legacy's so heavy? around 3500lbs? while the wrx of the same year was around 3000lbs? I know it's suppose to be a slightly more "luxurious" version of the wrx, but 500 lbs? I've looked around and cant seem to find any obvious weight reduction mods that don't take away from the luxury of the car other than removing the spare tire and jack, some lightweight wheels, all of that MIGHT get rid of 80lbs? how hard did you look? There is a thread that maps the weight if every non essential part on a 4th Gen lgt. You might even find a serious lapper's thread on what he did to get his car below 3200. the only lgt wagon racecar in existence weighs 3100 at race weight. You could remove the rollcage for another >100lb drop. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 dr_sharp deleted all the weight reduction stuff from the first post in that thread. Not sure why, but it is a shame. For reference, the 2.5GT LTD 5MT went from 3,365lbs in 2005 to 3,428lbs in 2009. The 2009 Spec.B has a curb weight of 3,543lbs. The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 2005 WRX - 3085/3140 man/auto 2005 WRX Premium - 3126/3181 2005 WRX Sport Wagon - 3165/3220 2005 STi Sedan - 3263 http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2005.html 2005 LGT - 3300-3435 (sedan), 3355-3500 (wagon) http://www.modernracer.com/subarulegacygt.html 2006 LGT Spec B - 3391 lbs http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2006-subaru-legacy-25gt-specb-short-take-road-test 2007 LGT - 3417 lbs http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-quickest-cars-of-2007-25000-to-30000-2007-subaru-legacy-25gt-page-1 2012 LGT Limited Sedan - 3483 lbs http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/legacy/2012/features-specs.html?style=101411664 2014 WRX Base Sedan - 3208 lbs 2014 WRX Premium - 3241 lbs 2014 WRX Limited Sedan - 3252 lbs 2014 STi Hatch - 3373 2014 STi Sedan Limited - 3417 http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/impreza-wrx/2014/features-specs.html?style=200467680 2014 Legacy Base - 3315 2014 Legacy 3.6R Limited Sedan - 3545 http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/legacy/2014/features-specs.html I don't think those numbers are too bad personally, 3350-3400 for an LGT Limited with no passenger. The car is simply bigger... You think that's heavy.... you should look at some other cars, with and without AWD too. 06 Camry SE - 3450 lbs http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/camry/2005/features-specs.html?style=100395315 05 Acura TL - 3491 lbs http://www.edmunds.com/acura/tl/2005/features-specs.html?style=100449887 05 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro - 3517 http://www.edmunds.com/audi/a4/2005/features-specs.html?style=100521952 05 BMW 325xi - 3594 http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/3-series/2005/features-specs.html?style=100469131 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Actually was thinking of this post and this one. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aac0036 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 The early GT models used aluminum hoods, but that switch to steel in ~'07 due to material costs. I don't believe this is true for the Legacy. 2007 was the last model year WRX with the aluminum hood because of the cost savings, but also the change to a new body style in 2008. I have a 2007 Legacy 2.5i and it's got an aluminum hood. I believe the '08s do as well since there was no change to that panel until the full model refresh in 2010. '08+ owners would have to chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energyblue98 Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 This is all interesting information, thank you all for this. I wan't looking to go full "bekauz racecar" I was just trying to see what weight loss there was to do without sacrificing performance. Such as the aluminum hoods. The spec B's had aluminum control arms too am I right? may be about 10-15 pounds off there.. although the 6 speed is much heavier, interesting as well. it add's 70 pounds but does it help gas mileage? link to the gear ratios? I know that the ford focus 6 speed's final drive was actually shorter than the 5 speed version. If that's the case with the legacy as well then It may be a better choice to get a 5 speed than a spec b... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/gear-ratios-usdm-turbo-models-also-jdm-spec-b-fxt-218.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 my 05 lgt ltd sedan was 3277lbs when it got corner-balanced. thats pretty light for that kind of car if you ask me. most of the lighter stuff i had on the car was canceled out by other heavier stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I think the AL liftgate was the first to go, then the AL hood. My Outback has AL liftgate and hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I can say for certain the GT hood is AL on 05-09. I'm also of mind that 3300-3500 lbs is a pretty reasonable weight for a car like the LGT. Especially when you start looking at the features it has. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapture Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 yeah op look into the aluminum rear trailing arms,front control arms and other bits hear and there that u can either just sell/get rid of or just take off there should be 25 lbs in the control arms and trailing arms alone...? i remember some thread with the exact numbers on that comparison....what was it?? either way i love the way my 05feels but then again i have done those swaps all ready so aside from the 6spd its a spec b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlBlueGT Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Have to remember that these cars have full leather interior, awd system, air bags inside the seats, heavy auto transmission (compared to manual) Also realize that they did make hood out of aluminum to save a bit on weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I don't mean to be a troll (well, ok, I lie. Yes, I do) but when are we going to box up the OP and send him back to stupidsville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energyblue98 Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Lol, the point wasnt that the car is too heavy for its own good, i was just asking why it was so much heavier than the impreza. There's been a lot of good information on here from you guys, thanks! Mods can lock the thread now if you want, my question has been answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Lol, the point wasnt that the car is too heavy for its own good, i was just asking why it was so much heavier than the impreza. There's been a lot of good information on here from you guys, thanks! Mods can lock the thread now if you want, my question has been answered. it's more car is the highlevel point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08 LGT Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't understand what you're complaining about, OP. The 05-09 Legacy GT was the lightest AWD sport sedan tested by Road and Track in the middle of its model cycle, in a test along with the BMW 328i, Audi A4, Volvo S60 T6, and Mazdaspeed6. It's weight is exactly what you'd expect from a modern car with its specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Lol, the point wasnt that the car is too heavy for its own good, i was just asking why it was so much heavier than the impreza. There's been a lot of good information on here from you guys, thanks! Mods can lock the thread now if you want, my question has been answered. Have you ridden in an impreza & a LGT? ride is night and day. Add the fit & finish inside, and it's pretty much a no brainer. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energyblue98 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Okay, I've come to terms with the weight of the car. But now i've started wondering why the 05 is lighter than the other years? it's the first year that it was made so I'm sure subaru was still working out some of the kinks? but why is it lighter, also seemed to have the worst saftey rating? Did it just not have as much structural metal? they also seem to be about $4-5K cheaper (kbb) than the 06's why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think 05 was the only year you could get a GT and GT Limited. In 06, all GTs were sold with the Limited package standard. You might be looking at a non-Limited versus a Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The 05 is lighter because of the flexible firewall. This was fixed in later years making for much heavier cars. You can fix the flexible firewall with the Master Brake Cylinder Brace. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energyblue98 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 oh, makes sense. I think I saw that brake cylinder brace somewhere.. you only need that for the 05? Also, gear ratios? if the 6 speeds are 170lbs, and the 5 speeds are 90lbs, are the 6 speeds really worth it? I know some car's 6th gear have a taller ratio than the 5th gear? and are there two diff ratios as well? 3.54 and 3.90? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Normally cars are getting heavier to meet crash standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 oh, makes sense. I think I saw that brake cylinder brace somewhere.. you only need that for the 05? Also, gear ratios? if the 6 speeds are 170lbs, and the 5 speeds are 90lbs, are the 6 speeds really worth it? I know some car's 6th gear have a taller ratio than the 5th gear? and are there two diff ratios as well? 3.54 and 3.90? If hte car comes with it, it's worth it. If you ahve to convert to it, its $3000-$8000 depending on how good you are at sourcing parts and getting a deal on labor. So you know, the "flexible firewall" is an internet meme? Its not flexible. The MBC brace is an $80 bling item. The crash ratings may be higher on the newer cars, however, they are newer cars and tech is better. Lighter weight is a relative term given new 'vettes are pushing 4000lbs. My 05 GT Ltd 5mt wagon with driver/passenger/dog/50% full gas tank is 3500. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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