fahr_side Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Make sure to fit a fluid cooler if you use a quicker rack or more caster. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeriyakiBBS Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Do these work for Bilstein HDs or OEM Bilsteins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Do these work for Bilstein HDs or OEM Bilsteins? They only work for OEM non-specB (Bilstein) style struts. So the DO NOT work on Bilsteins at least not without modification (spacer/conical washer). -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 well, that's my plan actually : KCA509 + bilstein B6 ref 35-118305 / 35-118312 (same stuff as HD's) Mike, what sort of spacer or conical washer would you suggest ? @fahr_side, regarding more caster & heat issues : well, I'm not tracking that car, nor driving over extended period in the city so I might just start with fresh and higher quality fluid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 well, that's my plan actually : KCA509 + bilstein B6 ref 35-118305 / 35-118312 (same stuff as HD's) Mike, what sort of spacer or conical washer would you suggest ? @fahr_side, regarding more caster & heat issues : well, I'm not tracking that car, nor driving over extended period in the city so I might just start with fresh and higher quality fluid... Sorry, I'm not sure if they will work or not. The issue usually is folks with konis who try to use spec b tops. The spec b tops have a thinner bearing area so a spacer is needed. Going in the other direction the shoulder of the Bilsteins may interfere with the OEM/comc bearing. There may not be enough threads to hold it the shaft may not fit correctly. Generally if you are using comc you will want konis or better to go with it. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 @fahr_side, regarding more caster & heat issues : well, I'm not tracking that car, nor driving over extended period in the city so I might just start with fresh and higher quality fluid... The problem on mine would show up immediately I started driving at more than a snail's pace up a windy road. It really defeated the purpose of modifying the suspension. I also started out by flushing the system and changing fluid but the problem wasn't solved until I went back to stock caster and fitted a new PS pump. I'd have added a cooler and stuck with the extra caster but the poly LCA bushings I'd fitted were driving me crazy with NVH anyway. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 @mike : ok, understood. these parts are also aimed at STI X, witch comes with bilstein inverted struts probably similar du B6 & HD's we are using on legacy's : that leaves me a good chance. I guess I'll find out when I will recieve the parts... @fahr_side regarding caster offset and heat issues : thanks, I'll keep that in mind. how mutch caster offset are you using, and is your car lowered or sitting on standard legacy struts & springs (lowered would also add caster, right ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 I'm now back at stock caster. Car is 15 or 20mm lower in front and 10 or 15mm in back. Being lowered does not I believe change caster as much as it changes camber. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeriyakiBBS Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 @mike : ok, understood. these parts are also aimed at STI X, witch comes with bilstein inverted struts probably similar du B6 & HD's we are using on legacy's : that leaves me a good chance. I guess I'll find out when I will recieve the parts... @fahr_side regarding caster offset and heat issues : thanks, I'll keep that in mind. how mutch caster offset are you using, and is your car lowered or sitting on standard legacy struts & springs (lowered would also add caster, right ?) Let me know your findings about the Bilstein and ComC I am very interested in taking that step. If not then I will sell the setup and go Coilovers which is something I really dont want to do because I have issues with going overboard when it comes to lowering cars lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 @mike : ok, understood. these parts are also aimed at STI X, witch comes with bilstein inverted struts probably similar du B6 & HD's we are using on legacy's : that leaves me a good chance. I guess I'll find out when I will recieve the parts... @fahr_side regarding caster offset and heat issues : thanks, I'll keep that in mind. how mutch caster offset are you using, and is your car lowered or sitting on standard legacy struts & springs (lowered would also add caster, right ?) I'm not familiar with the STi X nor Bilsteins on STis so I can't speak for that. But logic would dictate that if you can't use the SpecB (aka Bilstein specific) strut tops on the OEM style struts, then the reverse would not work either. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 bilstein B6 + legacy 2.5i springs (KSRS-29 20% stiffer rears) are waiting on my shelfs. KCA509 are ordered and should show up within a few weeks. I'll let you know how things turns out for my EDM outback 2.5i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I'm now back at stock caster. Car is 15 or 20mm lower in front and 10 or 15mm in back. Being lowered does not I believe change caster as much as it changes camber. I've been searching this in the 2005 service manual : outback and legacy share the same front LCA and tophat position. the legacy sits 58mm (2.3in) lower. Legacy SW is specified for 5°40' caster, outback SW is specified for 4°55'. I guess that if you lower a legacy by 20mm it would add something like 0°30' caster. What do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I doubt that it is a linear relationship. -Mike Paisan AZP's First Private Track Event, June 19 at NJMP Thunderbolt $315 including Classroom and Mentor! http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 That can be modeled, but I don't have the time or interest. Sorry. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 just recieved these KCA409. they fit perfectly on top of bilstein B6 35-118305 / 35-118312 pics : http://subarupassion.xooit.com/t3926-liaisons-au-sol-legacy-BL-BP-et-outback.htm?start=15#p54331 http://subarupassion.xooit.com/image/98/0/e/d/dsc_0136-3f9d26a.jpg.htm http://subarupassion.xooit.com/image/98/0/e/d/dsc_0136-3f9d26a.jpg.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Catalyst. Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Interesting - those look to be Bilstein HDs. Been wondering if these would be an option or not with the Bils. Thanks! My spec.B [#163] Project Thread with Pictures Get CryoTuned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeriyakiBBS Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 just recieved these KCA409. they fit perfectly on top of bilstein B6 35-118305 / 35-118312 pics : http://subarupassion.xooit.com/t3926-liaisons-au-sol-legacy-BL-BP-et-outback.htm?start=15#p54331 http://subarupassion.xooit.com/image/98/0/e/d/dsc_0136-3f9d26a.jpg.htm http://subarupassion.xooit.com/image/98/0/e/d/dsc_0136-3f9d26a.jpg.htm So we have to figure out if the B6 Bilsteins are the same as the Bilstein HDs or Spec Bs. Good find and let us know any other info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 EDM B6's and USDM HD's share the same part number in bilstein online catalog, that's all I know... Mine are EDM parts, made in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeriyakiBBS Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 EDM B6's and USDM HD's share the same part number in bilstein online catalog, that's all I know... Mine are EDM parts, made in Germany. Did the swap keep you front end the same ride height or did it raise or lower it? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot4hire Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Am I reading this right these work with bilstein HDs and spec b bilsteins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTurbo Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 The problem on mine would show up immediately I started driving at more than a snail's pace up a windy road. It really defeated the purpose of modifying the suspension. I also started out by flushing the system and changing fluid but the problem wasn't solved until I went back to stock caster and fitted a new PS pump. I'd have added a cooler and stuck with the extra caster but the poly LCA bushings I'd fitted were driving me crazy with NVH anyway. OK - I missed the "warning" and had the WL LCA bushings installed. Wagon was OK for a couple days and now seems like the pump is shot...no noise, no leaks, belt is tight, but steering very heavy and seems like minimal power assist. 148kmi on the car, probably original fluid, reservoir full but fluid's a bit brown. Should I bring it back to the shop and have them make sure they didn't mess something up? The bushings look like they were installed correctly and they supposedly aligned for + caster...suggestions? I'm having to drive the car, albeit carefully, until I have time to get to the shop...fark.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 some feed back : KCA409 + EDM outback spring seat + B6's = wrong choice the spring seat (specB like) is much wider and does not sit right on the bearing inner side, but on the bearing outer side, witch makes the bearing useless. So KCA409 will not fit EDM specB's , and I would advise any one with a EDM 2.0i, 2.0R, 2.5i, 3.0R AT or 2.0D legacy to check with some local subaru dealer weather the stock top strut assy P/N are KYB or specB type. Same advice for those willing to lower a EDM outback on legacy struts & springs => EDM (France) 2005 outback came with "specB" top strut assy witch is some kinda good news : I can will these parts with my B6 struts... Those KCA409 are going back to the dealer, and I will hopefully get a refund quick note regarding EDM outback (vs USDM) : specific (JDM ?) front struts : 20310AG050/20310AG040 , with specB top strut assy SLS rear struts , I will post the P/N later 18mm rear stabilizer (vs 15mm on USDM OB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 some feed back : KCA409 + EDM outback spring seat + B6's = wrong choice the spring seat (specB like) is much wider and does not sit right on the bearing inner side, but on the bearing outer side, witch makes the bearing useless. So KCA409 will not fit EDM specB's , and I would advise any one with a EDM 2.0i, 2.0R, 2.5i, 3.0R AT or 2.0D legacy to check with some local subaru dealer weather the stock top strut assy P/N are KYB or specB type. Same advice for those willing to lower a EDM outback on legacy struts & springs => EDM (France) 2005 outback came with "specB" top strut assy witch is some kinda good news : I can will these parts with my B6 struts... Those KCA409 are going back to the dealer, and I will hopefully get a refund quick note regarding EDM outback (vs USDM) : specific (JDM ?) front struts : 20310AG050/20310AG040 , with specB top strut assy SLS rear struts , I will post the P/N later 18mm rear stabilizer (vs 15mm on USDM OB) I thought I had mentioned that I didn't think this would work but some folks said they did or would... -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain59 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 you are right Mike, and your input has helped me to figure out quickly what was going wrong when I have attempted to fit KCA409 + B6 + EDM OB stock spring hat. then I guess WL's application list for KCA409 should exclude specB's (and bilstein B6/B8 upgrades on non specB's legacy + outback) well, no big deal : B6 + stock specB like spring seat & top mount is very nice outcome for my lowered outback pictures coming soon in the lowered outback thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 you are right Mike, and your input has helped me to figure out quickly what was going wrong when I have attempted to fit KCA409 + B6 + EDM OB stock spring hat. then I guess WL's application list for KCA409 should exclude specB's (and bilstein B6/B8 upgrades on non specB's legacy + outback) well, no big deal : B6 + stock specB like spring seat & top mount is very nice outcome for my lowered outback pictures coming soon in the lowered outback thread... I contacted our reps at WL US and have them running it up the chain of command... -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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