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accidentally moved my boost controller! help!!


Diavolo

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Again MBC have there place as do other methods of boost control

But not here for the op, so what's the argument about? Just in principle? iNVAR never said to never get a MBC or there is never a place for one, but for the vast majority of street driven Subies sub-stage 3 and regular mods, why circumvent a smart system that just works and can be adjusted? Because Fast and Furious and that it gives you a knob to fiddle with and point to at car meets?

Sounds like it's obvious what op should do based on the symptoms.

 

I love it when people come in the tuning forums, asking for advice, then they reject that advice and claim they are working with pro tuners.

 

Then why are you here, brah?

It's your car. Ultimately we don't give two shits what you do with it.

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Per EQ Tuning

The only major drawback of the MBC is that it leaves the customer the power to potentially turn up the boost and cause damage. I've found this not to be an issue as long as the customer is fully educated and understands that if he messes with the MBC, he will likely cause problems. Most people don't want to blow their engines, so they take this advice seriously and don't mess with the MBC after the tune.

 

There is also some risk that someone else will turn up the boost if they have access to your engine bay. We usually install the MBC's in a discreet location so its not obviously visible and not too easily accessible. This alleviates most of that risk. We also do mark the MBC after its set so you have a visual reference of where its supposed to be.

So, look for the markings on the MBCS and return it to its original position.

From that point go talk to them if a MBC is the right choice for you since you seem to be overboosting by a fair amount in the winter by circumventing the built-in measures to prevent this from happening.

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The markings washed off, otherwise obviously I could have just put it back.

Give me a little more credit than that haha.

 

So I talked to Ed a few days ago.

Described what was going on, and he advised me to check the lines for a leak.

I noticed some wear but not an obvious hole. Kastley85891 posted before and suggested that this may be the problem as well.

 

After I get around to replacing them,.. we'll see if that was the problem.

Because adjusting the controller is making no difference.

 

I'll probably swap out the lines on thursday. I haven't been driving that much anyways, and definitely keeping my foot out of it.

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Diavolo, you are actually a good example of why I strongly, strongly believe the stock BCS should've been retained. Look at the difficulty you've experienced so far, from temperature fluctuations.

 

turns out it's likely due to a leak.

i'll keep ya updated. keep in mind i live in california.

the temp swing isnt as extreme as some other places.

i didnt have this problem last winter.

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Because Fast and Furious and that it gives you a knob to fiddle with and point to at car meets?

 

I love it when people come in the tuning forums, asking for advice, then they reject that advice and claim they are working with pro tuners.

i appreciate your input. however as i mentioned i may have mis-diagnosed the problem.

 

Don't be an elitist dickhead and assume I or anyone else is some fanboy.

as far as working with a professional tuner, its not a claim if that was directed at me?

 

Ed tuned my car. Thats pretty factual.

He runs a great shop, is extremely knowledgeable, talented, and treats his clients very well.

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I'm not assuming anything but it's irritating when advice is given and then rejected on the basis of "I'm actually working with someone else and therefore will not listen to you guys".

What I was saying is if Ed tuned the car, and I don't doubt for one second his abilities, he is the best qualified individual to offer advice and help you, should you have future problems from this point forward.

So if advice is given to you and you feel is wrong, rather than arguing the point, just back out and talk to Ed at that point.

In that link you quote, EQ Tuning is making a point to educate the customer what is going on. Pay close attention next time. If you are overboosting or having any other issues, then the best thing to do is stay out of it and go right to the tuner.

I wasn't trying to insult your knowledge regarding those markings but people miss obvious things all the time.

 

In your reasonable effort to try and correct the problem, unfortunately it was made worse and gotten to the point where you were left at a place where you really couldn't tell how much the MBC was altered in the hopes of returning it back to where it was.

Lesson learned. Don't mess with that knob :) I would tape it to prevent accidental fiddling.

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For your information.......I cracked a piston hitting overboost so be carefull! If you can't get to your tuner right away I would recomend closing the MBC so you don't keep overboosting.

 

That's the problem, I can't close it.

Something else is the issue causing it to overboost.

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Did you already check for vacuum leaks? I'll mention again, what has changed with your restrictor pill? And have you unhooked the mbc and routed the wastegate straight to the turbo compressor bypassing the mbc like suggested before and then datalogged? That will help you determine where the leak may be.
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I noticed you mentioned you had the Hallman tightened all the way?

 

With a Hallman, all the way OUT is no/WG boost.

geez! a couple of you guys really must think i'm retarded.

i didnt say it was "tightened" i said it was "down", as in turned down.

 

did you notice i had wrote:

 

Thanks for the input. I have a Hallman... it obvious which way is up or down cause it has arrows on the end and a + & -

 

its definitely down all the way and still overboosting.

i wonder if theres a leak somewhere?

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hook the line directly up from the turbo compressor to your wastegate actuator and see what happens. in other words, bypass the mbc completely and see what happens. you shouldn't get more than about 8-10 psi. maybe your mbc is broken.
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Thanks. I bypassed the MBC and with wastegate only, I easily hit 18.5 before I got off the throttle. So apparently its not a problem with the MBC. Explains why I couldn't adjust boost. :(

 

So now I need to replace the wastegate actuator

Where can I buy one??

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I took the heatshield off just now, so I could try to move it by hand. Pushing towards the firewall.

 

I am unable to move it. I think I may have got the faintest budge... But I'm not a very big dude, so I don't have a lot of force to put behind it.

 

I also stuck my phone in the engine bay and snapped a picture looking back up towards the rod. It doesn't see to be hitting the side, so it should be free to move.

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Actually, I don't think you're supposed to be able to open it by hand. Maybe just barely crack it open but not sure. Something's definitely not right thought if you're developing more than WG pressure with the line hooked up directly like that, hmm...
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Just to make sure, because what I've read doesn't make it clear to me iNVAR's advice was followed:

 

A single good new (not one from the car's existing) hose is connected between compressor nipple and wastegate, secured by clamps on both ends. Pictured example in this link: http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/avo380-ballbearing-turbo-25liter-ej25-p-18.html

 

That said, if I were concerned about my wastegate's operation, I would attach a pressure source with a gauge... such as my brake bleeder... and apply a pressure to a) verify at what psi the wg opened, or b) that it would not open at pressures well in excess of spring pressure.

 

Then I would know whether the wastegate was working or not. It cannot be tested by hand, only as described.

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