cwindle07 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Any opinions about Schaeffer Oil Supreme 7000? I've been running the 05W-30 for a while in my LGT and oil level has been staying pretty constant in between changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ned Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Send a slug to Blackstone Labs each oil change and you'll know. We all talk about preferred oils. Without a series of Used Oil Analyses (UOAs) we're all talking merde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTwrestler22 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I have a question. Which causes less consumption, a lighter weight like 0w20 or heavier like 10w30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Any opinions about Schaeffer Oil Supreme 7000? I've been running the 05W-30 for a while in my LGT and oil level has been staying pretty constant in between changes. Never heard of it, however if you aren't consuming it, you are likely ok. A UOA will confirm it though. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I have a question. Which causes less consumption, a lighter weight like 0w20 or heavier like 10w30? Why not do a search and find out? Or is this another one of those times that you say you "searched" already but didn't find an answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I have a question. Which causes less consumption, a lighter weight like 0w20 or heavier like 10w30? It depends on the motor, ambient temps, driving style, etc. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesubie Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Any opinions about Schaeffer Oil Supreme 7000? I've been running the 05W-30 for a while in my LGT and oil level has been staying pretty constant in between changes. Excellent oil with a robust additive pack! Lots of moly! -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesubie Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I have a question. Which causes less consumption, a lighter weight like 0w20 or heavier like 10w30? I guess you ask this simply out of curiousity since 0W-20 shouldn't be used in your LGT. There is no simple answer. Many people have less consumption by moving up to a thicker grade (from 5W-30 to 5W-40). Others have less consumption by moving from thicker to thinner. I would probably compare 10W-30 to 5W-20 instead of 0W-20. Generally speaking, a 5W-20 and 10W-30 will have the least viscosity modifiers and they are the first thing in oil to break down. Does that mean less consumption? Possibly, possibly not. Another thing to look at is NOACK volatility which measures the evaporation of oil. http://www.pqiamerica.com/noack.htm The volatility of most ILSAC GF-5 oils actually fall in the upper range of the allowable limit of 15%. http://www.gf-5.com/the_story/performance/ For off the shelf parts store oils, Pennzoil actually claims a very low NOACK somewhere down in the single digits, IIRC. Red Line and some Amsoil oils also have a very low NOACK. It's actually hard to find NOACK listings of some companies since a lower NOACK usually means a better base stock and better oil. They don't want you judging them based on their NOACK figures. Does choosing a low NOACK guarantee less consumption? Possibly, possibly not. I don't even think you should compare an xW-20 to an xW-30 since many xW-30's will shear to a 20 weight anyway. When I asked a tribologist/oil blender about 10W-30 vs. 10W-40 in regards to consumption he advised that "the 10W-40 would be less volatile because one of the base oils in the mix would be a more viscous base oil". Another thing to look at is High Temp High Shear. A higher HTHS is beneficial in maintaining viscosity over an oil change interval and combatting against oil loss. That's why European cars do now allow girly man Resource Conserving oils. Regardless of if you're looking at VW specs, Mercedes specs, Porsche specs, etc., they all must have an HTHS of 3.5 or higher. So there is no one answer. You need to experiment with a variety of oils, base stocks, grades, additive levels, HTHS, etc. Even though I do not run thin GF5 Resource Conserving oils, they are actually showing very good uoa results with little or no consumption in some of the latest model Subaru turbos (2011 and 2012 WRX's). Whether or not this works for your application is another story. Hope this helps. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTwrestler22 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 It does thank you so i should try both 5w-20 and 5w-40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I wouldn't run anything lighter than a 5w30 in a LGT, that is what the factory recommended fill is. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTwrestler22 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What's the thickest you'd run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I see no reason to run anything thicker than a 5w40 or 10w40 on a street car with a stock long block. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesubie Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 And if you want the best of both worlds, try a 0W-40. Usually thinner than a 5W-40 in freezing temps so it will pump more quickly. Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 would be lighter than Mobil1 0W-40 in freezing temps, but I would rather have a thicker oil when the engine is at operating temp. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTPpilot Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 mmm....unless there is something strange about Ultra...the 0W would be lighter than the 5W when freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesubie Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 mmm....unless there is something strange about Ultra...the 0W would be lighter than the 5W when freezing. That the thing about oil. The first number on the bottle does not necessarily mean that the oil is thinner at freezing temps. The first number comes from the apparent viscosity when tested at -30C for a 5W and -35C for a 0W. http://www.pqiamerica.com/coldcrank.htm You can use this viscosity graph to see the actual viscosity at a given temperature. http://www.widman.biz/English/Calculators/Graph.html And enter the 40 and 100C numbers from the manufacturers product data sheet. Pennzoil Ultra Mobil1 0W-40. That's why the numbers on the bottle do not tell you the whole picture. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ned Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yep. Gotta go to the data sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielgt93 Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hope everyone had a good thanksgiving! This is a lot of help from hearing with different oils but it just matters on the car if it reacts good or not but I'm running on penzoil and ima switch to cast roll gtx sync ima try that one out I was recommended with that. Also I've heard some Subaru owners use royal purple, does anyone have experience with royal purple is it really that good from what I hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesubie Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Hope everyone had a good thanksgiving! This is a lot of help from hearing with different oils but it just matters on the car if it reacts good or not but I'm running on penzoil and ima switch to cast roll gtx sync ima try that one out I was recommended with that. Also I've heard some Subaru owners use royal purple, does anyone have experience with royal purple is it really that good from what I hear? "ima switch to cast roll gtx sync" is a huge grammar fail. Unless English is a second language. Oil viscosity is more important than brand and if you run xW-30 you don't want it to say Energy or Resource Conserving. For Castrol, use Castrol Edge with Syntec Power Technology in 0W-30 (aka German Castrol) or 5W-40. For Royal Purple, use any weight of the High Performance Street oil or the 0W-40 or 5W-40. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielgt93 Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yeah English is my second language so I'm still learning all this grammar and all the composition. Alright then, ill see which I choose when I do my oil change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjanczak Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 i have a 2005 lgt wagon 5 speed with 140k miles on it. i live in central wisconsin where it does get cold out in the winter but not too cold. my car is stage 2 and i was wondering would it be ok to run shell rotella t6 5w-40 in my car? will that b ok with my climate? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 i have a 2005 lgt wagon 5 speed with 140k miles on it. i live in central wisconsin where it does get cold out in the winter but not too cold. my car is stage 2 and i was wondering would it be ok to run shell rotella t6 5w-40 in my car? will that b ok with my climate? thanks I would suggest a 5w30 oil for the wintertime. Motul or Amsoil both offer 5w30 weight oils that would be as good or better than the Rotella. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesubie Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 i have a 2005 lgt wagon 5 speed with 140k miles on it. i live in central wisconsin where it does get cold out in the winter but not too cold. my car is stage 2 and i was wondering would it be ok to run shell rotella t6 5w-40 in my car? will that b ok with my climate? thanks In WI, I would go with German Castrol 0W-30 (Edge SPT) or Mobil1 0W-40. GC is thinner than M1 0W-40 down to about 68F/20C at which point the M1 becomes thinner. At operating temp. M1 is slightly thicker and has more anti-wear additives. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjanczak Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 thanks everyone for all your advice i really appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnmid Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Shell just introduced a Rotella T6 0W40 weight. http://www.oemoffhighway.com/product/10840926/shell-lubricants-shell-rotella-t6-0w-40-full-synthetic-heavy-duty-diesel-engine-oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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