MasAyinde Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Holy Crap! Spec/build list? I'd love to build an AR for range duty. I'd probably just end up spending an enormous amount of time and money designing a high efficiency suppressor too see how quiet I could get one. Have you considered that route, Mas? I know the ATF license process for a suppressor is pretty expensive and tedious, but it certainly seems like it would be a neat project! I'm not that concerned about noise, i chose the compensator that i did for recoil reduction. You can definitely feel the blowback from the gas but muzzle rise is very slight. I would be more likely to design a compensator that kept the muzzle on target as much as possible, and I wouldn't need to go through the ATF. From back to front: Magpul ACS milspec stock PSA LPK Spikes Punisher lower Ergo grip (not sure of the name) Geissele SSA trigger Vltor/BCM med latch charging handle Vltor MUR-1A upper WMD NiB bolt carrier DSG arms Punisher ejection port cover Vltor CASV-S free float handguard Magpul MBUS BSA 4x scope BCM HP/MP 1/7 5.56 barrel and parts UTG bipod JP Enterprises compensator Although I absolutely love this rifle, I'm thinking about putting it up for sale. I wanted to build something in which every part was my absolute favorite, and I didn't do that with this rifle. I've come very close, but there are a couple things I want to add to my next build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 The bottom line is that the roughness of the MAF->Power relationship is sufficient to be a completely unreliable method of comparing power output of two vehicles or one pre/post modification. No one posts MAF voltage vs. RPM in "proven power." You can argue this all you want, but you'll still be wrong. I'm not going to continue arguing with you, Turbodog. You are wrong, and this discussion is over. You can continue quoting Wikipedia, looking at dictionary definitions, and whatever else you want to do to detract further from the point at hand. I'll not be privy to your little tantrums any longer. Wow....the ninja straw man to dismissal combo! I'm in awe of your internet debatin' skillz. Fact is, I never said anything you just claimed I said. Straw man. OBVIOUSLY, what you just said is correct and we all know that (or should). OBVIOUSLY things like VE, timing, octane and AFR are very important in making power. Tuning 101 here. But, going back to the original point - the perrin test did not at all attempt to keep MAF readings similar/equal, which makes it a poor comparision test, since MAF is THE PRIMARY FACTOR in how much power is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatsuDano Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 i'm just subscribing because every thread turbodog creates or posts in becomes a train wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'm not that concerned about noise, i chose the compensator that i did for recoil reduction. You can definitely feel the blowback from the gas but muzzle rise is very slight. I would be more likely to design a compensator that kept the muzzle on target as much as possible, and I wouldn't need to go through the ATF. From back to front: Magpul ACS milspec stock PSA LPK Spikes Punisher lower Ergo grip (not sure of the name) Geissele SSA trigger Vltor/BCM med latch charging handle Vltor MUR-1A upper WMD NiB bolt carrier DSG arms Punisher ejection port cover Vltor CASV-S free float handguard Magpul MBUS BSA 4x scope BCM HP/MP 1/7 5.56 barrel and parts UTG bipod JP Enterprises compensator Although I absolutely love this rifle, I'm thinking about putting it up for sale. I wanted to build something in which every part was my absolute favorite, and I didn't do that with this rifle. I've come very close, but there are a couple things I want to add to my next build. How much do you have invested in the AR? It would be overkill for small game, but it would be a lot of fun to put together. I might look into that compensator. I'd like to do something with my hunting rifle (30-06). A flash suppressor is an absolute must, but if I could keep muzzle lift down I'd have much better second target acquisition. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWSPECB Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 i'm just subscribing because every thread turbodog creates or posts in becomes a train wreck. I think it already has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasAyinde Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 How much do you have invested in the AR? It would be overkill for small game, but it would be a lot of fun to put together. I might look into that compensator. I'd like to do something with my hunting rifle (30-06). A flash suppressor is an absolute must, but if I could keep muzzle lift down I'd have much better second target acquisition. I have about $1850 into it in just parts. With tax, shipping and minor gunsmithing, it's easily over $2100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted July 10, 2012 I Donated Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think Turbodog's problem is that he can't stand to be wrong, even though he is most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think Turbodog's problem is that he can't stand to be wrong, even though he is most of the time. I'm completely correct here, and in most cases. The amount of misinformation on here is stunning. I feel like a cult interventionist.....serious deprogramming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 That's not too bad, actually. I was expecting 50% more, easily. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 But, going back to the original point - the perrin test did not at all attempt to keep MAF readings similar/equal, which makes it a poor comparision test, since MAF is THE PRIMARY FACTOR in how much power is made. You make educated people's brain's hurt My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted July 10, 2012 I Donated Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'm completely correct here, and in most cases. The amount of misinformation on here is stunning. I feel like a cult interventionist.....serious deprogramming. Okay, I was wrong. Turbodog's problem is that he thinks everything he says is right, even though most of the time it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I got one to rock Turbodog's world. So how much HP is a car making that hits 4.9v on the MAF at 5000rpm and still pulls to 7500 and is verified to make HP to redline by a dyno? Cause based on g/sec it's the same from 5000 to 7500 My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I got to fire my first AR over Memorial Day. Holographic sights are so much better in COD. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I got one to rock Turbodog's world. So how much HP is a car making that hits 4.9v on the MAF at 5000rpm and still pulls to 7500 and is verified to make HP to redline by a dyno? Cause based on g/sec it's the same from 5000 to 7500 Completely impossible to tell by maf voltage, obviously. AFR and timing maps can still be programmed to make it work, but your tuner sucks for even bothering -> get a larger maf and rescale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So if the ECU has no idea what is going on airflow wise, but it can still be programmed to work, then MAF readings must be the PRIMARY input for the ecu and all associated calculations. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users paintpollz Posted July 11, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted July 11, 2012 jesus this thread is worthless "Remember Danny - Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Completely impossible to tell by maf voltage, obviously. How does the ecu calculate g/rev in this instance? My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 How does the ecu calculate g/rev in this instance? With a static MAF value, load is directly linearly related to RPM, thus will it track a consistant line through the timing and fueling tables. Not particularly safe and a really bad idea IMHO. Any overboost or extra cold temps and you have serious problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 So if the ECU has no idea what is going on airflow wise, but it can still be programmed to work, then MAF readings must be the PRIMARY input for the ecu and all associated calculations. No, by your senario, the ECU is being presented with a static value. RPM, of course, is the other parameter in the maps, and is also used to calculate load. AFAIK, you've basicly forced the ECU to run timing and fuel based on RPM. You could possibly argue that RPM is the primary input, but I wouldn't see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 RPM wouldn't be right... it's only the first axis in most tables My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turbodog Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 RPM wouldn't be right... it's only the first axis in most tables Load (y-axis) is calculated from RPM and MAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users paintpollz Posted July 12, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted July 12, 2012 the breakfast I wish I had this morning. "Remember Danny - Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm a huge eggs benedict fan. Homemade sauce is the ONLY way to go though. Damn it... now I want some too... This is more my style, no need to make it falsely yellow. Simply add real lemon and rind and you get a perfect yellow tinge. It's awesome. http://foodfrenzy.ocregister.com/files/2011/02/ccc2.jpg Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users paintpollz Posted July 12, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted July 12, 2012 Just had this for the first time this year on Saturday. Old Orchard Beach, ME. Fresh off the boat that morning, and then into my mouth. Best 20 bucks I've spent this year. Oh ya, the cole slaw was amazing too. "Remember Danny - Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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