joeblow Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Consumer Reports just released a safety warning on a Lexus SUV. They just got done with the recalls on gas pedals and sudden acceleration in a bunch of their Toyota models and now the Lexus has rollover issues because the traction control system sucks. http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/13/autos/consumer_reports_lexus_gx460/index.htm?hpt=T1 It's cool; I'm with the band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalboaT4 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 They were going over 60 MPH in a huge SUV and performed a "severe handling maneuver" Of course there is going to be a risk of rolling over. Not defending Toyota but it reminds me of the whole Explorer rollover debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Oh please they are complaining that the traction control does not override the car and make it tragically understeer into a ditch. I watched the video. So they made a SUV that is a real truck with RWD and will actually drift. ALL SUV ARE TOO FREAKING TALL AND CAN ROLL. Yet another stupid piece of media sensationalism. Anyone remember the old SUV videos where are rig had to be attached to the suv to keep them from rolling? Now those were issues. This SUV merely looks lively and may actually dare we say... FUN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I am surprised that a car with stability control could actually crash - I thought that was impossible Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-WDC Spec B Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 and in the old test with the old suvs that they were going through a slalom where they rolled over not a turn in the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 and in the old test with the old suvs that they were going through a slalom where they rolled over not a turn in the road. +1 thanks for the memory jog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeblow Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share Posted April 13, 2010 rao strikes again with the sarcasm I was just pointing out CR giving out their Do Not Buy tag, and since a lot of people live and die by CR recommendations, there might be some issues with sales because of this. Most people won't watch the video or read through the article, they'll just see that or read in CR not to buy one and then won't even look at one when they're shopping for a new luxury SUV. Keep in mind, CR also says that 4th gen LGTs are a used car to avoid. It's cool; I'm with the band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 No sarcasm - what is the point of stability controls if they don't prevent crashes Besides, you're the messenger so its not your fault. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmanaenk Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Lift-off oversteer should be banned by the Feds! 666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdisco Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 A few years ago I jumped out of my WRX and into the wifes Land Rover Discovery. The Landy should have a sticker on the visor "Warning Dumb-ass the Disco does not handle like your WRX". The wife was nagging about something and I may have been going too fast anywhoo... 45 degree corner + sand + top heavy real SUV = 2 wheels in the air + elevated heart rate. If not for my cat-like reflexes and Schumacher-like driving skills could of rolled it. The wife should have told me how awesome my driving was instead of punching me in the arm. Women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne200208 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Wait. Are those? OH MY GOD! No wonder, those definitely look like RE92s. <-----HONDA SERIAL KILLER-----> RIP JHMEH6160RS006479 RIP 1HGCD5650VA021631 RIP JHMGD38688S015633 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmanaenk Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 ^ Who needs tires when one has ESC?! 666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeNH Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 A few years ago I jumped out of my WRX and into the wifes Land Rover Discovery. The Landy should have a sticker on the visor "Warning Dumb-ass the Disco does not handle like your WRX". The wife was nagging about something and I may have been going too fast anywhoo... 45 degree corner + sand + top heavy real SUV = 2 wheels in the air + elevated heart rate. If not for my cat-like reflexes and Schumacher-like driving skills could of rolled it. The wife should have told me how awesome my driving was instead of punching me in the arm. Women. Next time your in there, flip the visor down. All of my 4x4s had a sticker up there saying something to that extent, though they worded it a bit nicer. Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them -Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 They were going over 60 MPH in a huge SUV and performed a "severe handling maneuver" Of course there is going to be a risk of rolling over. Not defending Toyota but it reminds me of the whole Explorer rollover debacle. Which is why I don't understand the whole concept of the quick as crap SUV. Porsche Cayenne turbo comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdisco Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Porsche Cayenne turbo Howbout... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqBn9pzETw]YouTube- BMW X5 M vs Audi Q7 V12 TDI[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf7qx8v1jhU]YouTube- TopGear - BMW X5M vs Audi V12 TDI power laps[/ame] mmmmmmmmmmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Makes a bit more sense to have a diesel SUV that is quick, but not much. And none of them really are that quick. Nevertheless, even the if the SUV gets 30 MPG, why would it ever need to hit 60 MPH in less than 6 seconds? These vehicles are top heavy and have a history of flipping over. Just because a vehicle has stability control doesnt mean you can drive it like a performance coupe. I just don't understand why if you feel compelled to drive a fast vehicle you don't buy one that is agile, light(er) weight, and can handle speed. The whole quick SUV thing is an oxymoron to me. That being said, the GX is a vehicle that I wouldnt mind seeing go away. Lexus doesn't sell all that many of them anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Makes a bit more sense to have a diesel SUV that is quick, but not much. And none of them really are that quick. Nevertheless, even the if the SUV gets 30 MPG, why would it ever need to hit 60 MPH in less than 6 seconds? These vehicles are top heavy and have a history of flipping over. Just because a vehicle has stability control doesnt mean you can drive it like a performance coupe. I just don't understand why if you feel compelled to drive a fast vehicle you don't buy one that is agile, light(er) weight, and can handle speed. The whole quick SUV thing is an oxymoron to me. Why not? If you can afford a quick SUV and you desire one then you should be able to buy one. Also keep in mind that quick acceleration and high power output may not be needed in an unburdened vehicle, but it will come in really damn handy if you are towing or hauling anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Why not? If you can afford a quick SUV and you desire one then you should be able to buy one. What if I could afford to skydive from my own airplane into the Grand Canyon? Desire and cash doesn't make something safe. Also keep in mind that quick acceleration and high power output may not be needed in an unburdened vehicle, but it will come in really damn handy if you are towing or hauling anything. Hence the diesel. Nevetheless, I don't know how many people will be buying an X5 M for towing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 What if I could afford to skydive from my own airplane into the Grand Canyon? Desire and cash doesn't make something safe. So you have some theory that because an SUV can be quick then it is inherently unsafe because of this? You really don't use your brain much do you? Once again you seem to think you should be able to dictate to others what they should and should not want, and what they should and should not do. Get over yourself, you're really not that exceptionally bright. At least not form what I can observe on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Trust me, the feeling is mutual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Trust me, the feeling is mutual. Well at least we agree on that part. Unfortunately for you the facts back up my criticism in this case. Although a vehicle like the BMW X5 M (or whatever the hell they call it) may be silly, pointless, and a rolling oxymoron I don't think I would call it unsafe. Sure it can accelerate very quickly, and it is big and heavy but it also handles better than most cars (including apparently a Porsche Carrera 4S last time Top Gear tested one), and stops with aplomb. You may not like it, but fact is that it is safer doing 140MPH down an autobahn than your car is doing 80MPH down the interstate. Are all SUV's similarly capable of great handling? Of course not, real utility vehicles can go off road and have body on frame construction, and although they may be quick to get up to speed usually don't have the gearing for high top speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 You may not like it, but fact is that it is safer doing 140MPH down an autobahn than your car is doing 80MPH down the interstate. Either prove it or quit speaking out of your ass. I realize that the latter is difficult for you to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Either prove it or quit speaking out of your ass. I realize that the latter is difficult for you to do. Prove what? That a BMW X5 M has more stability, mechanical grip, and stronger braking than your shit box Legacy? Well compare the two then: http://www.edmunds.com/used/1999/subaru/legacy/14378/specs.html http://www.insideline.com/bmw/x5-m/2010/2010-bmw-x5-m-full-test-and-video.html As far as the X5 M beating a Porsche around the Top Gear test track watch the video for yourself and pay attention for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 You said that the X5 would be safer at 140 MPH than the LGT at 80 MPH and neither of these links back that up. The link about the Legacy tells me nothing. Stopping distances might be a start man. Maybe some skidpad info. And who cares about the Porsche vs. X5? You brought it up, not me. Reading comprehension is something you should work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Step 2. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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