KurtP Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 It worries me because there is no more development ground for serious subaru racing backed by the company. I fear, that their concern for performance in their vehicles will begin to go the way of TRD's "performance" thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil2k2 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Doesn't TRD spend most of their time on those off road truck racing circuits? My other car is a auto-x prepped Toyota Celica and TRD doesn't offer much for me. They put their name on some KYB shocks and some Eibach sway bars and call it a day. I agree, Subaru has a rich history with rally, and it does seem somewhat strange that they are get out all together. I was watching a WRC show on TV and notices Subaru didn't have any cars in the mix. I would doubt they do anything drastic any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Subaru is officially in with their group N Impreza in the IRC: http://www.ircseries.com/html/Manufacturers.asp WRC is going to one engine formula, everybody else uses inline, so Subaru is out: "The date for introduction of the 1600cc turbo engine for the WRC car has beenbrought forward to 2011 to bring it in line with the engine used in the cars on saleto the public." -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 WRC is insane. those rules that mandate inline transverse drivetrains basically singled out subaru, and blasted them out of the series. And also pretty much cuts off any alternative hardware. Subaru didn't have much of a choice, and I am glad they didn't say OK, and change their cars to transverse inline, and ditch the boxer and symmetrical driveline. It is superior. I hope they do well in IRC, and that the prepared Forester does well at Dakar. Screw WRC, if they want to be morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 Its the same thing they did to Audi with quattro. Any time a team comes up with something that works that others dont want, they ban it. Id rather them not enter a 1600cc inline 4 type power plant in it at all. Why? Sooner or later thats what we will get for our cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1nALMSFan Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Another thing to look at is given the state of the current ecomomy, many auto companies have trimed, or eliminated completely, their racing programs. Whether it be ALMS, F1, SuperGT or whatever, companies aren't justifing racing dollars right now, although I think (hope) the worst is over. I can only hope that Subaru doesn't go down the road of Honda, and completely eliminate anything worth racing in. I have been a Honda guy my whole life, still am, but they have absouletely nothing interesting to me in their current/future lineup of cars. I too hope Subaru does well in the IRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS5689 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Its the same thing they did to Audi with quattro. Any time a team comes up with something that works that others dont want, they ban it. Id rather them not enter a 1600cc inline 4 type power plant in it at all. Why? Sooner or later thats what we will get for our cars... I've never followed WRC, although it interests me. What happened to Audi Quattro in the 80s? I thought the banning was against all Group B vehicles, not just Quattro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1nALMSFan Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Didn't they ban the group B cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 I honestly dont recall/know the specifics. I just know after a 58 win season in quattro cars, they put the kabosh on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Boycott wrc!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS5689 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Didn't they ban the group B cars? Yep, I have no idea why I typed Group N... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil2k2 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Yep, I have no idea why I typed Group N... because "B" is next to "N" on the keyboard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS5689 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 because "B" is next to "N" on the keyboard... I like this reason, let's go with it! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1nALMSFan Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I like this reason, let's go with it! Haha works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Subaru has been out of the WRC for 2 years now. The inline engine wasn't an issue when they pulled out. It was a sudden pull out that left both Prodrive and Petter Solberg hanging. Petter still had another year left in his contract. They left for financial reasons. Though they weren't doing all that well either. It's not like Subaru was the only company that pulled out of the WRC. Skoda, Peugeot, and Mitsubishi all pulled out within about a year of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted January 12, 2010 Author Share Posted January 12, 2010 also truth. Rally is expensive, I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattg Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 You don't even like Subaru's so why do you care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted January 12, 2010 Author Share Posted January 12, 2010 I dont? Its not that I dont like them, I do, I just regret buying them when Im pissed off about whatever issue with the car I am dealing with at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 The point of rally is to put engineering to the test, engineering which eventually trickles down the production line and ends up in daily drivers. I'd rather Subaru not participate than come up with a WRC-unique motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finse Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 The point of rally is to put engineering to the test, engineering which eventually trickles down the production line and ends up in daily drivers. I'd rather Subaru not participate than come up with a WRC-unique motor. I agree, I feel that the rally history of subaru has greatly contributed to the overall quality of the product I now own. I have bought my last three subaru's based on the proven powertrain and engine setup. I really enjoyed watching Subaru compete in the WRC before they pulled out. Even this season I found myself cheering on Mads Olsberg (sp?) just because he was driving a Subaru. While it sucks that the WRC had to go and make more unfortunate changes to their rules, I am happy to hear about the IRC. However, I am worried that there is no way in hell I am going to see any of this action televised in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1nALMSFan Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 ^ actually Discovery HD theater shows all the stage recaps in an hour long program. Not sure what the times are, I have it DVRed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finse Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yeah, I watched WRC on HD Theater, their recap season ended in December. I won't discuss it, as not to spoil it for you. But that said, I have never seen any broadcasts of the IRC series. Perhaps its too new? Maybe we should start writing the Discovery Networks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1nALMSFan Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 ^ Ah, yes I have yet to see any IRC on cable. Maybe we'll get lucky and someone like Spike or VS will pick it up. No hope for Speed to pick up anything good other than ALMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 WRC is like the FIA. Ban first, then sort out enforcement later. Only the FIA bans things to keep drivers competitive. Things like active suspension got banned to factor the driver into the race more. WRC bans things just for the sake of making news. They may well have had a good reason to require a specific engine layout, but that's just how it comes across. That said, isn't Subaru putting their all into JGTC? I thought they were going to heavily compete in the JGTC350 series? [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserpro2 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 i only know that Subaru has teamed up with forgot the company name to let the JDM 2009 legacy B4 compete in the SuperGT/JGTC GT300 series. they used to use a Cusco sponsored Impreza before stopping for a year and now using the legacy. WRC wise, subaru is not that active anymore....and wrc is gay like FIA now if they have engine bans. like what the hell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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