outahere Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 From looking at the various comments of new Legacy owners on the various forums, there seem to be only 2 problem areas so far 1. Air bag recall, because bags were deploying slower than Subaru required. 2. Water from rain and car washing is getting trapped somewhere above the door, and dousing driver or passenger when door is opened. All in all, not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Those two are what I am aware of from reading various forums. IIRC, the 350Z and/or G35 has/had the water problem too, but I can't remember reading any solutions. I wonder why the water problem exists here but not in other markets (if it does, shouldn't they have fixed it already?)? This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 I believe it does exist in other markets. An owner in Japan has indicated that is getting the same problem when opening the door in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted June 7, 2004 Author Share Posted June 7, 2004 Looks like the automotive engineers never test their vehicles in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombatCQB Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote name='outahere']Looks like the automotive engineers never test their vehicles in the rain.[/quote] I think they were more concerned about tire grip and handling to notice anything above their heads. I'd perfer this problem over the car sliding into a pole. :) It's never perfect, just really close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted July 1, 2004 Author Share Posted July 1, 2004 A few people over at edmunds.com are having a problem with a mild engine stutter or misfire when driving with a moderate throttle opening. IIRC one of the online reviewers complained about the same thing. Anybody on these forums experiencing the same thing? Any WRX owners experienced this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 [quote name='outahere']A few people over at edmunds.com are having a problem with a mild engine stutter or misfire when driving with a moderate throttle opening. IIRC one of the online reviewers complained about the same thing. Anybody on these forums experiencing the same thing? Any WRX owners experienced this?[/quote] I don't think I have, but I'll pay closer attention. I think it's just my getting used to a clutch. :D -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agctr Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Yeah Franz atleast u have the clutch version, no such thing down under, well YET anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSattler Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 With 1,200 miles on my Legacy GT Limited wagon (manual trans), I've encountered no stutter or misfire. Also it's rained here several times and I haven't gotten doused yet. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizumaat Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I've got a 2005 OB XT 5MT, and I am experience the stutter some people have been talking about... it's small but annoying... always happens between 2500 and 3500 rpms, and I'd say primarily in 2nd and 3rd, under moderate to heavy acceleration. I did think it had something to do with the turbo, but I'm not sure. Not sure how else to describe it, there's a slight repeated hesitation, or stutter as you pass through that 1000rmp range... some people on Edmunds mentioned a grounding kit... any thoughts on whether or not this would be any help? Maybe it just has something to do with it being a brand new engine, and it will go away after it's broken in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnSub Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Shoundn't the rear tailgate alignment and rub for wagons be on the list? If was mentioned above, I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avarice Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I noticed the stutter in the vehicle I test drove. It was not always there and I mostly noticed it while going up hill. Very faint but it was noticable. Was going to test drive a different car before placing my order to see if it was just that car but now it seems like others have noticed the issue. What trans was in the car? The car I drove was a: 2.5 GT Limited Manual Trans Atlantic Blue (perhaps its the color) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I have not noticed any stutter after driving around last night and to and from work today. I say give the ECU some time to learn as the car breaks in.. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRXTom Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Many previous or current WRX owners are familiar with the hesitation experienced during part and/or full throttle. It is not a misfire. The GT, mine included, seems to have the same issue most of the time. WRX owners, including me, tried the grounding mod with varying results. Generally, quality WRX ECU reflashes (Cobb, EcuTek) would greatly reduce the issue which would point to the stock ECU programming parameters causing the hesitation. This doesn't mean Subaru has done a poor job with the ECU. For example, the programming needs to account for a long list of variables including fuel economy and the likelihood that owners will treat their cars like crap (wrong octane, little regard for the maintenance schedule, etc.) and then drive them in extreme conditions. ECU reflashes raise the operating variables but also assume that the car will be treated with more respect than the average owner. For now I am not sufficiently bothered by the issue with my GT to worry about it. But that is based on my experience with the WRX. If I was a reviewer used to driving NA 6 or 8 cylinder cars it would strike me as a bit odd. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted July 1, 2004 Author Share Posted July 1, 2004 [quote name='WRXTom']...... This doesn't mean Subaru has done a poor job with the ECU. For example, the programming needs to account for a long list of variables including fuel economy and the likelihood that owners will treat their cars like crap (wrong octane, little regard for the maintenance schedule, etc.) and then drive them in extreme conditions....[/quote] I am less inclined to cut Subaru some slack on this issue. All manufacturers have to deal with this long list of variables, and I have not heard of them having a problem with stuttering/hesitating engines. They need to do a better job with their ECU programming on the GT, especially since this problem, albeit minor, seems to have been around a few years in the WRX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRXTom Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Point taken. I have to admit I haven't heard of other turbocharged cars having a similar issue. But I haven't been keeping track of user comments on other manufacturers. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubie02 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I never had that problem with my wrx, and I had it three years before I traded it on a Legacy GT a few days ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRXTom Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 [quote]I never had that problem with my wrx[/quote] I don't think it affected every car (or wasn't noticed by all users). It was quite subtle with mine. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryokosha Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I've had my 2.5GT for almost 2 weeks. Noticed the very slight hesitation when going up hill, especially between 60 - 80 mph and when not pushing the rpms above 4000. Thought I was imagining things. Other than that, no problems at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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