Istvan_Sz Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hello. I´ve searched the forums without any luck, so here goes: I own a Legacy 2008 2,0R. I want to change the 65W halogen bulbs to 70W Xenon bulbs. Nobody in the Swedish Subaru forums have tried 70W (just 50W). Have anybody in here 70W Xenon in their high-beams? Can I have 70W Xenon due heat generation? The homepage where I whant to buy the Xenon kit. http://www.xenonkungen.com/se/art/power-xenonkit-9-32v.php Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmahh Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 No idea; I know on the regular kits it's not an issue but the bulbs themselves don't really have a wattage rating do they? Halogens have wattage ratings because they pass electricity through a tungsten fillament which heats up and produces light; however Xenon systems initially fire a huge amount of voltage into the bulb to ignite the Xenon gas, then it changes from 'firing mode' to 'maintenance mode' which keeps the process running.. I guess you can try it, but it would suck if it caused headlight housing heat/melting issues.. Are the normal Xenon systems not bright enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisS Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Typically HIDs in the high beams are avoided because of warmup time. What's the good in turning on your high beams then having to wait for them to get fully bright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 He's probably trying to avoid having his car looking like this: http://hejbilist.nu/expert-filer/extraljus.jpg And yes - it's legal here. And if he now happens to live in some outback area of Sweden the high beam is more used than the low beam. The risk of meeting a moose is higher than meeting another car if you have selected to live way out in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-WDC Spec B Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 There are hologen Xenon gas bulbs that are not HID. I am going to put 100W in the highbeams and 170W in the fogs. and prolly replace my 55W with 100W in the lows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 There are hologen Xenon gas bulbs that are not HID. I am going to put 100W in the highbeams and 170W in the fogs. and prolly replace my 55W with 100W in the lows The OP is talking about a HID kit. In your car, you will be doing some damage with those high watt halogen bulbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-WDC Spec B Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Ohh... yea i might do some damage... i just want to see the effect too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvan_Sz Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Like ehsnils said. I really don´t want any extra lights on the car. A "discreet" solution that´s all. Without really good high-beam a ½ moose can get in the way: (Warning, strong graphical content!) http://blogg.vk.se/uploads/391/images/DSC00103.JPG The guy was incredibly lucky, the moos was cut in half by the roof. The other half of the moos was found 200 m (about 660ft) after the car. The guy got covered by some green-red goo from the moose and made it with a few buses. So, any of you guys used/using 70W Xenon lightbulbs in your high-beam? Can we have 70W due heat generation or will the bulbs damage the housing? P.S: Swedish woods: http://metrobloggen.se/UserFiles/18.32077/697e8ea1-4e0f-4274-b2a5-d06d5190d7c9.jpg http://www.stimulanspaketresan.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/karavanen1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Since the high beams are more "open" and the power is just about 20W extra I don't think it should be a problem. And even a 50W alternative is brighter than the normal 35W for HID (that are brighter than the 55W halogen). So personally I would go for the 50W, but then, ordinary halogen bulbs produces a lot of heat compared to the amount of light they give, while the Xenon lamps are more efficient, which means that the 70W Xenon may still run cooler than the 55W Halogen. Just be aware that the light spectrum with more blue, violet and ultraviolet light may have a negative impact on the reflector, but that's something that I can't say really will have an impact. The only catch I see is the delay in brightness when the high beam is switched on. One alternative that I can see is to get a pair of Hella DE Xenon and mount them where the fog lights are mounted/supposed to be mounted or possibly in some other practical spot. The fog lights are rather useless anyway, so if you replace them it's no big loss. DE Xenon at: Tire Rack: http://www.tirerack.com/lighting/detail.jsp?ID=1003 ($697 Horrible price b.t.w.) KH Motorsports: http://www.khmotorsport.se/shop/page702.htm (SEK 2935 - translates to $417) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmahh Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I wouldn't put the HIDs in the high beam location; the highbeam reflector is made for a halogen bulb, if you throw xenons in there the cutoff is going to be absolutely horrid not to mention you'll produce massive glare and blind other drivers. Put HIDs/Xenons in the projectors, those have a cleaner cut off line because of the housing, and maybe upgrade your high beams with the 70watt toshiba halogens that were mentioned the other day. When you go with Xenons go for a lower kelvin/temperature, the higher the number, the more blue the output will be. Even though it looks nice, as you go 6k, 8k, etc. you're moving away from the more natural light color, into a deeper darker blue, which translates into less visible light on the road. There is a vendor selling 4300k HIDs on here for $120 I believe, awesome price, and everyone seems to be loving them. My TL used around 4300k from the factory, which has good output, but I changed to 6k - I liked the color but there was some output loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark-V Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Umm... with an HID kit in the high beam location, you don't need to worry about glare at all. It's the high beam. An HID kit will definitely net you more Lumen output (as long as you stay under 5000k color temperature). I wouldn't use the high beams to flash people, but if you are in twisty, night roads for a good amount of time (which I do believe the OP is going to be in) I think a properly wired (use a harness, do not just plug into high beam wires) HID kit in the high beams is a good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmahh Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Umm... with an HID kit in the high beam location, you don't need to worry about glare at all. It's the high beam. An HID kit will definitely net you more Lumen output (as long as you stay under 5000k color temperature). I wouldn't use the high beams to flash people, but if you are in twisty, night roads for a good amount of time (which I do believe the OP is going to be in) I think a properly wired (use a harness, do not just plug into high beam wires) HID kit in the high beams is a good idea! Just make sure you're using a D2R if you intend to use it in the non projection housing or you'll have crappy light output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 The idea of a high-beam is to throw light everywhere, which is what a HID bulb will do. HID's generally do not make large amounts of heat, so you should have no issues with heat or melting plastic. My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underpowerd Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Ohh... yea i might do some damage... i just want to see the effect too... i think you'll be disappointed by the performance of overwattage halogens -- i tried 100w fogs a few years back & it was a joke. ...now a boosted retro, otoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 i think you'll be disappointed by the performance of overwattage halogens -- i tried 100w fogs a few years back & it was a joke. Agreed. The only halogens worth buying though, are Toshiba HIRs. My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvan_Sz Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 I brought the 70 W Xenon kit. The results are quite nice. The Xenon is way brighter then the original. Unfortunatley the results don´t show that good on thiese pictures. Here is the results: Original: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Istvan_Sz/3-3.jpg Xenon 70W: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Istvan_Sz/4-2.jpg Original: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Istvan_Sz/5-1.jpg Xenon 70W: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Istvan_Sz/6-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS5689 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Typically HIDs in the high beams are avoided because of warmup time. What's the good in turning on your high beams then having to wait for them to get fully bright? Never had an issue with the bi-xenons in my GTI or G37 needing to brighten up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisS Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Maybe those work different? I'm not sure. But I know my (low beam) HIDs take a good 10 seconds to get to full brightness. [edit] A very quick read up said many bi-xenon systems work with either a shield or by moving the bulb itself. It's not two bulbs, it's one bulb that has the lighting characteristics changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo08816 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Never had an issue with the bi-xenons in my GTI or G37 needing to brighten up. This is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS5689 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [edit] A very quick read up said many bi-xenon systems work with either a shield or by moving the bulb itself. It's not two bulbs, it's one bulb that has the lighting characteristics changed. This is why. Correct, there is a shield that lifts up. I guess I didn't really put two and two together when I wrote that. You would be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Regardless - the difference in lighting is remarkable when you see the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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