Which radar/jammer do you have/recommend?

[ZAPIT]

pwned

 

 

Not even.

[mwiener2]

ok, if that makes you feel better

[ZAPIT]

The new one that was released (just a week ago) does have a TruSpeed update.

 

Not trying to sell anything just answering TSi+WRX post.

[ArcTec34]

 

I have never been on a forum where members are so quick to jump on people. What is with you Legacy owners? You guys think you are above everyone else just because the car is a great car?

 

we just try to sort through our members, making sure they're all quality people

[Balrock]

I was wondering when brother TSi was gonna come out from under his pile of laser stuff and speak out. True enough you did not say you are going to sell them on here, but it sure seems implied when you start trashing the other guys products and then say you sell you stuff. And now the resident expert wakes and chimes in....

[ZAPIT]

we just try to sort through our members, making sure they're all quality people

 

I'd agree with you on that one. To sort thru the riff raff and phonies that the internet and forums can bring.

 

Defining posts can be done in a better manner tho.

 

I have already PM'd members about their cars set ups and purchased a few items from the classifieds. EVERYONE has been very, very helpful and very professional. The posting and flaming and condescending remarks by a few members on the forum is another story tho.

 

It just seems (and I'm not a newbie just on this forum) that a couple of members on here are so quick to jump on people and make smart remarks just because they are veterans and have the "respect" of the others on here. Sometimes the remarks are condesending to other members as I read through posts. But as a need for information I know others bite their tongue.

 

I posted a link to LPP just as anyone else would post a link to a tire site, rim site, audio site in showing someone what they are talking about. So that they can get into the research and make decisions for themselves.

 

I still feel that that this is one of the best sites for Legacy GT information and lets keep it that way.

 

Peace.

[TSiWRX]

^ You might want to read this one, bro, before you are swindled by his words.......

 

The new one that was released (just a week ago) does have a TruSpeed update.

 

Not trying to sell anything just answering TSi+WRX post.

 

^ You're not trying to sell these things?

 

Really.

 

I sell and use these.

 

This is the second time I'm quoting this.

 

I don't think I'm superior to anyone - "you" Legacy owners? Don't you own one yourself?

 

And we're not harsh to jump on anyone - just someone who has an overt agenda - that of selling his product.

 

Really, do we need to get a Mod in here?

 

The new one that was released (just a week ago) does have a TruSpeed update.

Oh, really, LPP released an official North-American TruSpeed "fixed" variant just last week?

 

Then why has there been absolutely no news of this on RadarDetector.net.

 

If you're in the speed detection countermeasures community, you MUST know that Forum is pretty much THE place where any such announcement would likely be made, given the status of that particular on-line Forum. It would have been particularly important to make the announcement there, as LPP has already "lost face," tremendously, there, due to the lack of timely support of the TruSpeed.

 

So why, in the last two weeks, has there not been any posting as such:

 

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/laser-jammers/

 

Oh, and you might want to check the date-stamps of the posts that I've repeatedly made to this thread on the KMPH-CA/LPP-CA Forums:

 

http://www.kmph.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=5273#p5273

 

I've been making that open plea for a while now. Why is it that no-one would've been informed?

 

Within the last two weeks?

 

Let's just say that's true. Let's entertain that possibility.

 

Would you care to openly allow the speed-detection countermeasures hobbyists in your area, ones who are in full possession of authentic US-variant TruSpeed units, quantitatively test one of your (and I say your, because, as you said above, you do SELL these units, right? or did you not mean to say that?) newly TruSpeed-fixed LPPs?

 

How come you're the *only* person, besides LPP_Rep/David/DMI-Sport/LPP-USA - someone whose information has been proven cannot be trusted, and is ridiculed by many in the hobby/enthusiat circle - who maintains that this has happened, when none of us LPP end-users have been notified?

 

Why is it that to-date, only samq45, someone who has not been able to get his unit tested, and who himself doubts the validity of that unit's performance - the only one who has such a pre-production unit?

 

And would you care to revisit the LPP's inconsistencies against the Laser Atlanta?

 

We're all "all over you" because we see you for who you are - someone trying to hard-sell a product.

 

That's never welcome, in ANY legitimate hobbyist/enthusiast Internet society.

[ZAPIT]

I was wondering when brother TSi was gonna come out from under his pile of laser stuff and speak out. True enough you did not say you are going to sell them on here, but it sure seems implied when you start trashing the other guys products and then say you sell you stuff. And now the resident expert wakes and chimes in....

 

Lets get this straight.

 

1. Your quote "True enough you did not say you are going to sell them on here..."

 

Ok we got that out of the way.

 

2. "when you start trashing the other guys products and then say you sell you stuff."

 

No. The order was I came right out in the first sentence that "I sell these all the time..." Then I compared them to other units.

 

Thank you.

[TSiWRX]

^ But he specifically said, in this very thread, that he does sell.

 

I quoted that, twice.

 

Why does he self-contradict, on the most basic level? Does he literally not know what he's doing or who he is?

 

And his statement that his product, the LPP, is "superior" to others?

 

I hope that if you read my posts fully, including the supplied external references, heightsgtltd, you'll see that it is plainly not the case.

 

Again, I'll reiterate the facts:

 

Even now, there's no response as to the TruSpeed.

 

The TruSpeed has been in enforcement hands for more than 6 months, and is now in widespread usage. Let me translate this for everyone in this thread - if an enforcer has a TruSpeed in his hands, and he shoots your car, which is equipped with the LPP, with it, you might as well use harsh language as your defense. It'll be as if the LPP wasn't there, at all.

 

The TruSpeed has been successfully addressed by every other legitimate LIDAR jammer manufacturer. Currently, only previous-generation products and/or illegitimate products still do not offer TruSpeed protection.

 

And even now, there's no response as to why the LPP continues to perform erratically against the Laser Atlanta. This is something that we LPP users have noticed since day-one, and we were willing to "live" with this little concern, given that, in most tests, it seems that a "real-world first-encounter" scenario should have the LPP buying us enough time to slow-to-reasonable or slow-to-PSL.

 

But in conjunction with this inability of LPP to properly address the TruSpeed concern?

 

You get the idea.

 

heights, I've been, bruddah, a proponent of the LPP for long, long time, now.

 

Cross the terms "laser pro park" and my username, and you'll see that I've got posts going back to 2007, with this product mentioned. Similarly, if PGT cares to weigh-in, here, he'll also tell you that I was one of the ones who posted up a bunch of informative/instructional posts, in the rather aborted LPP Group Buy that he started:

 

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63367&highlight=LPP

 

I say what I said above not to slight the LPP, but to truly hope to help our fellow LGTers from being taken into what is clearly a less-than-honorable sales attempt.

 

The business side of speed-detection countermeasures is a cut-throat and dirty-beyond-imagining one, for the un-initiated.

 

My only goal is to serve as a buffer for my fellow Subaru lovers and the worst side of that industry - which sometimes, sadly, bleeds-over into the hobby/enthusiast side of the equation.

 

I have no vested ties in the industry. I don't make a cent from any of what I say. I don't sell anything. I represent no-one but myself, as a truly independent end-consumer.

 

This FACT can be verified from virtually *anyone* in the speed-detection countermeasures hobby or industry.

 

Can the same be said of ZAPIT - who said, himself, that he sells the product, and then provides a link to the main company website (from where it's only clicks away to find out who the SOLE authorized distributor for the product is, and trust me, due to the cutthroat nature of this industry, they maintain a clear division of locales/markets)?

 

But wait, he later denies that he sells these things?

 

So that gives him an out?

 

Not in my book - and I hope that *ANY* smart consumer here can well see that.

[TSiWRX]

Your reply to balrock01 -

1. Your quote "True enough you did not say you are going to sell them on here..."

 

Ok we got that out of the way.

 

Not by me, you haven't.

 

I sell and use these. They work great.

 

Competitors use inferior LED's, these use real laser diodes.....

 

It also only uses one small transponder head the size of a match box made out of aluminum (not cheap plastic), and it also has radio mute output.

 

http://www.laserprotector.com/

 

Once again, that's your post, verbatim.

 

You're not selling?

 

Then why do you say that you sell these?

 

Do you sell these, or don't you?

 

And if you're not trying to sell these, here, then why the direct outlink?

 

2. "when you start trashing the other guys products and then say you sell you stuff."

 

No. The order was I came right out in the first sentence that "I sell these all the time..." Then I compared them to other units.

 

And again, I dare you to prove that your units truly are superior.

 

Go ahead and answer my questions above.

 

I've got more.

[mwiener2]

double tripled super pwned

[Balrock]

:spin:just...WOW. At leat this thread is getting my post count up.I would think after my 4+ years on here I would ATLEAST have over 1,000:lol:

[mwiener2]

Jiffy Lube sells oil changes....do you think they are experts on the subject?

[PGT]

Similarly, if PGT cares to weigh-in

 

Not sure who 'ZAPIT' is, but, my buddy Dave has sole rights to US distribution (his name and website are listed on the link posted). I know there have been some channel conflict issues with a guy in Canada (perhaps that's ZAPIT?).

 

Just to be clear - the group buy I had tried to run was for US distribution only and Allen was quite helpful (and might have even talked to Dave at the time).

 

instead of spouting off lies and misinformation, such as this particular LPP representative - LPP_Rep/David/DMI-Sport/LPP-USA: http://www.radarreviews.net/forums/questions/2081-new-truspeed-laser-out-warning-also-some-thoughts-5.html#post13030 ) is supposedly a, and I quote: "Release Candidate TS/USA" variant.

 

To-date, LPP has yet to release a TruSpeed "fix" enabled box.

 

I'd appreciate a PM Allen - one thing Dave is not is a liar. I've know him for a decade and he was best man at my wedding (and that business is a hobby for him...not his livelihood).

[PGT]

<scratches head> you said 'lies/misinformation' then supposedly link us to it yet post this in response:

 

^ I appreciate your honesty, LPP_Rep - however, at that very same time, you'd very forcefully asserted claims of the LPP's effectiveness against the TruSpeed:

 

I appreciate the fact that you've come forward here and now, LPP_Rep, to clear the air. And I think that as a show of good business ethics, this is most commendable.

[ArcTec34]

this thread LOLs.

[TSiWRX]

Tsi, You obviously feel pretty strongly about this and no doubt are certainly knowledgeable about the area, all I was saying is that he admitted that he sold them (I thought to offer perspective on why he was knowledgeable), but he wasn't trying to sell them on here.

 

 

^ I feel strongly about this because all too often, people with vested-interest (translation: trying to make a buck) come into communities like ours, and try to take advantage of those who are easily swayed by hype and hope, and who, unfortunately, are either unwilling or unable to pursue more in-depth research.

 

While I may laugh at others who "get taken" by such scams, I'm certainly not going to let my fellow LGTers ( .com'ers and .org'ists alike ) - or my fellow Subaru lovers - be taken-in by such.

 

I wouldn't be able to live with myself, if I were to let such things go.

 

ZAPIT admits to selling - but the question of "not selling here" is one that's highly debatable - why did he post a direct link, from which only one logical conclusion could be reached? Why did he even mention that he sold them?

 

And why so strong an effort to make his product look good, in comparison to the rest?

 

Why the deflection of all of my true technical questions - and yes, I consider the "two weeks ago" a deflection/redirection, for I've been told this same promise for nearly 8 months now, by the one person whom I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw , and from the source that I do trust (go.mouse/KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada/Alex, of the LPP Support Forums), I keep getting the same information, that LPP-UK/KMPH-UK has yet to release a global or targeted-North America TruSpeed "fixed" variant (and this global versus NA question is a big one, as the "Metric" TruSpeed uses a true variable-pulserate program in an effort to try to defeat jammers, while the North-American variant is a fixed pulserate device, and is limited by it firmware operation to that sole operation here, Stateside)?

 

And that plug about laser-diodes versus LEDs?

 

Yes, power matters (REF: http://www.radardetector.net/forums/laser-jammers/19596-how-laser-jammers-work.html and http://www.radardetector.net/forums/laser-jammers/18905-led-diode.html), this is seen both "hypothetically" in terms of the physics behind the jammers and the police LIDAR devices (and their interaction), as well as is visualized on-road, both in quantitative testing as well as in more real-world (simulated) scenarios.

 

But the problem we have here, with the LPP, is not in its "power."

 

In terms of the TruSpeed, it's simple - the LPP doesn't even pick up the TruSpeed as a genuine threat. Not even when the TruSpeed has the LPP's jammer head (the "receiver," which I will address in just a little bit) locked dead-center in its sights.

 

Modern jammers work off a simple "look-up table" format.

 

Its detection algorithm "sees" the incoming LIDAR pulses, looks it up on its reference table, and then it sends out the appropriate "reply," to trick the LIDAR into thinking that it's seeing something other than what it should - namely, your vehicle speed.

 

With the LPP, the problem of the TruSpeed is that it is simply not encoded in its firmware.

 

Thus, it never "sees" the TruSpeed as a valid threat.

 

However, there's another problem with the LPP, as well as the other "previous generation" products based off the AntiLaser G8/G7 platform (for those of you who are newcomers to this, yes, the LPP is a "clone" of the AntiLaser G7) - that of reception.

 

Although equipped with a giant optical collimator over the receiver (akin to the V1 detector's forward-facing laser detection circuitry), it is still not as sensitive as its competitors today, and that includes not only the Laser Interceptor, but also even the Escort Zr4 - and even the far-defunct ZR3.

 

Don't believe me?

 

Hop on to RadarDetector.net, and search up old IR-videos by ELVATO and Cbr, two enthusiasts in Florida (two of the founding members of the Central-FL testing group).

 

These IR-videos easily proves my assertion above.

 

 

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KRAZY KEN -

 

My advice on detectors is simple:

 

If you're going with a remote-mounted device, currently, your choices are the Escort 9500ci or the Bel STi-R. Either would prove exceptional, and you should let your desire of "integration" of the laser jammer (the 9500ci package includes the Escort ZR4 Laser Shifter) be your guide.

 

If you're going with a stand-alone, in-cabin detector, ask yourself what you need.

 

If you're looking at the top-dogs, with a budget of around $500, the three main players in this price range are the Valentine Research V1, the Escort 9500ix, and the Beltronics STi-Driver. Each serves a specific role, and depending on your precise use, you'll find one a better match for you than the others.

 

If you live in a detector-banned area, or often drive through such, the STi-Driver is your easy (and only) choice, for this genre.

 

If you live in a more rural area, the V1's still class-dominating sensitivity to both RADAR and LIDAR - both only eclipsed by the remote-mount systems - coupled with the Bogey Counter and Locator features, makes it again an easy choice. If you lived in a densely populated area where non-LEO sources are common, the more aggressive and "smarter" filtering of the 9500ix may be more your desire. For these two, simply plunk down the payment on your credit-card, and take their "30-day test-drive" offer, and find for yourself which unit suits you best.

 

Yes, the Escort's advanced filtering logic is amazing, and can turn even the most noisy, false-infested commute into a quiet and calm affair (as it does mine), but know that the filtering technology - the GPS - is not without very real limitations. Be sure you read and fully understand CJR123's "Tips and Tricks" thread, if you go this route (same for the remote-mounted 9500ci) - http://www.radardetector.net/forums/escort/26868-explanation-9500i-truelock-info-tricks.html . Improper operation or misunderstanding of the technology involved will earn you a ticket, and I can virtually guaranty you of that.

 

With the V1, it's not true that you can't quiet it down - however, if you do, via its extensive list of end-user enabled programmable filters, you may well be totally blinding yourself. A compromise, in using one of the SpeedCheetah GPS-based products (either the GPS-Mirror or the C100 stand-alone), coupled to their Detector Interface, will not only tremendously quiet-down the detector (you can set a certain speed which, below the threshold, the detector's audible alerting will be muted, but during which you'll maintain full visual alert cues), but will also give the device access to the Trinity traffic and speed-camera database (which, BTW, is what Escort's "Defender" database is heavily based - and licensed - upon; Trinity is *the* Gold Standard).

 

If that's not your budget, don't worry.

 

The second-tier products, such as the Bel RX65 and Escort 8500x50, as well as the tertiary units like the Whistler Pro78SE and Bel 995, are all excellent performers, and can easily effect real-world "saves."

 

In terms of jammers, if you had to have "the best performer," TODAY, I'd easily say the Laser Interceptor.

 

Similarly, if you wanted the absolute best in terms of "integration," the Escort ZR4, integrated with any of the Bel/Escort detectors, is a hard combination to beat.

 

But things on this side of the equation are more in-flux:

 

In the next month or two, we should see the new Blinder Mx7 (where x = 2, 3, or 4 - denoting the number of jammer "heads" that are included with the kit) units come to-market.

 

Similarly, it is anticipated that the AntiLaser G9 will undergo an evolutionary upgrade, to the 9.1 variant, and that is also highly anticipated as well.

 

Truthfully, if you can, I'd sit on this one and wait a bit - see what the immediate future has to offer.

 

Of the jammers that I currently cannot recommend, the LPP is the wildcard, as some of us are privately speculating that they may ditch their current format (which is a previous-generation design, occupied by the AL G8 [the LPP actually derives from the G7], the PASS, and the LaserStar, none of which are viable, in today's world).

[TSiWRX]

Not sure who 'ZAPIT' is, but, my buddy Dave has sole rights to US distribution (his name and website are listed on the link posted). I know there have been some channel conflict issues with a guy in Canada (perhaps that's ZAPIT?).

 

^ Unknown, but unlikely - Alex doesn't drive a Legacy, and also, he would definitely not spew such unfounded facts, knowing that I was around. He'd know that I'd call him on it.

 

I'd appreciate a PM Allen - one thing Dave is not is a liar. I've know him for a decade and he was best man at my wedding (and that business is a hobby for him...not his livelihood).

 

No PM necessary. I say what I say all out in the open. The information on the thread that ran its course on RadarReviews.net is there for all to see, and my views of what happened there does not change, no matter which community you go into. I can't re-call (as in take-back) the things I've said in-public, on many Forums, and in so far as I'm concerned, I'm speaking based on truth (which is evident in those logged threads/posts), and I know that others agree very much with me, and share my same sentiments (Hessen, another of the RadarDetector.net Forum "Old Timers," is one that comes to mind immediately, and in being in the community, you know how much weight that carries).

 

I am sorry, but your view of the man does not jibe with mine - I know him only from this context, and the result was not a positive one.

 

The business can be a hobby, that does not matter to me: what matters is how our fellow community members, including myself, had been treated - in being led to believe that the LPP met our needs, when it CLEARLY did not.

 

He may not have lied to us intentionally - i.e. he may have been supplied with bad information - but the result is the same as if he did.

 

If he had doubts as to the legitimacy of his information chain, he certainly did not put that forward in his pushes towards selling the product. He portrayed the LPP as being able to "handle" the TruSpeed just fine, which was certainly not the truth.

 

That's not fair, and that's not right.

 

Remember that I had also made you aware of certain facts while that business was being set up...about certain technical inaccuracies and pricing concerns at the time.

 

Just to be clear - the group buy I had tried to run was for US distribution only and Allen was quite helpful (and might have even talked to Dave at the time).

Yep, I've been a long-time supporter of LPP - and I still am.

 

I'm one of the last hold-outs, hoping against hope for good news.

 

<scratches head> you said 'lies/misinformation' then supposedly link us to it yet post this in response:

 

You failed to quote my last sentence there, and that is bordering on a misquote, as it does not fully illustrate the intentions of my post.

 

For those who are closely following, I'll re-post that FULL segment:

 

I appreciate the fact that you've come forward here and now, LPP_Rep, to clear the air. And I think that as a show of good business ethics, this is most commendable.

 

Nevertheless, to have let this languish for so long, without proper attention - and to let a member of the community to have come forward to wave the flag - that's an oversight that cannot be excused.

[ And for those who are interested in the full post text: http://www.radarreviews.net/forums/13030-post44.html ]

 

The RadarReviews website, at that time, had DMI-Sport as a direct site sponsor, with banner ad.

 

My hand was thus forced to be more polite/PC than I wanted it to be.

 

In later posts, after they were no longer sponsors, I was able to be more forceful, and if you look throughout the countermeasures hobbyist community Forums, you'll find that I have, in a steadfast and consistent manner, been very negative about that entire issue.

 

However, I think that even as it stands, with the full text of my post being read, instead of quoted out-of-context, my intent was clear for everyone to see, and one would not even need to really read between the lines, to get to what I was saying. I was clearly denouncing what had happened there, and I was clearly unhappy about it. To me, there's nothing unclear about it, at all, once the full post is read.

[PGT]

I think that if the full text of my post was read

 

you could try posting a few less words and I'd have the attention span to read them in full forgive me for hitting the high points.

 

Dave is not one to lie and saying he does here where he can't respond ain't cool.

[TSiWRX]

^ I know, I'm too long-winded.

 

 

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RE: David not being here......

 

Yes, I know that he cannot defend himself, here. But I've made my displeasure known, everywhere this comes up, in the countermeasures community. I'm not PM'ing people, telling them that I think this or think that.

 

I'm functioning off the facts of my OPEN interaction with him.

 

And again, I'm not the only one who thinks this way, given how the TruSpeed incident played out ( sorry, but I went back to edit my post above, several times ).

 

He could've replied to my post, on RR.net, then. [ For although my overall note was very harsh, I did not end on a negative note. It was (and remains) my sincere hope that he'd take a lesson from all of that, and make things better. ]

 

He could've come to defend himself, in front of me and the many others who think as I do, on RadarDetector.net .

 

Why not?

 

Again, I don't know him as you do.

 

No, he truly may not have lied - he truly may have been given improper information, from those higher up the chain than him.

 

But if that's the case, seeing the community reactions, before he in-turn made his own claims, he should have tested, himself (by that point, the TruSpeed was readily available, and several Stateside representatives of various manufacturers obtained units for their R&D efforts both Stateside as well as abroad), before he vetted those claims with his own reputation, and his own words.

 

Why did he wait until he was called out?

 

This is not my livelihood, either.

 

It's my hobby.

 

Why does a hobbyist with no industry ties - one who could have depended on the LPP for protection (thankfully, I don't, huh? that sucks to say, as a LPP-support, myself) and found himself defenseless - why was I the one who came back to those posts, and brought them forward for examination?

 

Shouldn't he, upon having tested the old units (and found them lacking), himself, ACTIVELY retracted what he'd posted, instead of having waited for someone in the community to have done so (it'd been quite a few days, since I then remembered his claims, on RR.net - it wasn't like I found out, and then pounced....I literally came upon those old posts, not having actively sought them out)?

 

I'm a LPP user and supporter, and what I said, hurt.

 

Imagine how much it would've hurt, if The Goons, who've been hunting down LPP since they dissolved their association with it, got a hold of those threads, before I did? Imagine the damage they might have caused.

 

Why did he not submit some sort of proof-of-function of samq45's "Release Candidate" unit, or send it out for testing with one of the now MANY recognized independent hobbyist groups?

 

Yes, I know how easy it is for a YouTube video to lie (not saying that he would go to such lows, but it's not unheard of, in the industry, sadly).

 

But it would've been better than nothing.....

[05lgt5spd]

passport 8500 x50, liking it so far

[PGT]

^ I know, I'm too long-winded.

 

I'd only venture a guess that he's passing on info he was given by the manufacturer (he's a distributor only, remember?). He's got a stack of lidar guns to test with....I know....I've been over to his place on a regular basis and have seen them and I do recall in one of our conversations him mentioning a forthcoming update to handle things. I'm not into this like you guys are so he doesn't bore me with details.

 

As for anything else, that's why I said PM me (please).

[TSiWRX]

passport 8500 x50, liking it so far

 

^ How old?

 

My S7-antenna Rev5 x50 completely missed a LASER encounter this past weekend.

 

Initial targeting distance was under 1000 ft., and as such, the high-mount position on my wife's '09 FXT (height-from-plate is in excess of 36 inches) allowed the detector to totally miss the incoming.

 

Luckily, my Laser Interceptors, flanking the front plate (itself point-defended by an OnTrack LaserShield), easily caught it.

 

125 PPS Ultralyte.

 

The newer models have better LASER reception, but still, be careful!

[TSiWRX]

I'd only venture a guess that he's passing on info he was given by the manufacturer (he's a distributor only, remember?). He's got a stack of lidar guns to test with....I know....I've been over to his place on a regular basis and have seen them and I do recall in one of our conversations him mentioning a forthcoming update to handle things. I'm not into this like you guys are so he doesn't bore me with details.

 

That's the thing - if he was able to test, why didn't he?

 

He put his reputation out there, with his words.

 

I'm a real person, and I defend my on-line reputation about as fiercely as I do my real-life reputation.

 

Before I say something, I want to know, for myself, that it's true - and while in real-life, I go by what I can touch and feel, on-line, I'm left to contend with what I see others write: that's the truth, in as far as I know.

 

And if he was fed misinformation, as he claimed, that's fine, and I can understand...but he should not have been quite as forceful as he was in the sale/push, and afterwards, when he'd found out, he should've been quicker to act and proactively, at that, in retracting what had been said.

 

In the end, we're simply accountable for our words, good or bad.

 

As for anything else, that's why I said PM me (please).

I honestly don't know what else to say - I truly have said all that I feel, of the matter, publicly. I'm honestly not hiding anything.

 

If you feel that you need to talk to me, privately, please feel free to PM me, but I honestly - honestly - speak from my soul, and I wouldn't say anything different to you, or to Dave, in public or private, or if I met you guys around the corner, on the street. It's simply what I believe, based solely on that interaction.

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That's the thing - if he was able to test, why didn't he?

 

He does all the time. I don't if/when he got the gun you're referring to. I know he asked me to come out to do some testing with him but I didn't have the bandwidth to give him that day.

 

He put his reputation out there, with his words.

 

I'm a real person, and I defend my on-line reputation about as fiercely as I do my real-life reputation.

 

 

link me to the 'gotcha' where you can say he lied? Don't link me to a long-winded thread with back and forth (I don't care that much to read a six month old thread with five pages). I don't understand the need for calling someone out here when the links you posted made me think you respected the guy. <confused>

 

I asked you to PM me about the lack of recent response from him. If you don't care to, fine, but don't infer anything from it (anymore than you already did here...next time, you should pull out your 'Jump to Conclusions' mat - you'd be as accurate).