dr_sharp Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 So we are no doubt quicker than an A4 2.0T in a straight line. In the corner we are comparable to the A4 S-line which is several grand more expensive. But today I came accross an S4... and it got me thinking... what are the chances? In a corner I think it would be very close... but based on weight alone advantage would go to the Legacy... S4 is ~150lbs heavier than the spec.B and ~300 lbs heavier than the LGT 5MT. But what about in a straight line? http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi--S4-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=2 It seems that the S4 runs *roughly* high 13s in the quarter mile. I don't think that's outrageous for our cars... especially considering the trap speeds recorded by S4s (high 90s). When I passed the S4 today I thought to myself, yes that car is quicker but is much more expensive... but after doing some research I think that only the latter part of my thought is true. Has anyone had any first hand experience with the S4? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPLGT Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 You could have 'em..probably need a reflash but you could. there are some people on this board who own an RS4 which is down right FAST.... Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think a reflash would probably give the Legacy an advantage. Stock for stock I feel it would be a drivers race with a slight advantage to the S4. And there's no doubt the RS4 is quicker. The RS4 is STi territory. And yes, it is an amazing car lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 rs4 is sti territory? hhahahah keep fricken dreaming. what's the trap speeds for the rs4? 109 or so? name 1 stock subaru that hits 109. btw, to the op, did you even bother looking at the 1st page?? http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi--S4-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=1 check out the 335i. pay particular attention to the 60ft. awd say wuut? http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-14401.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spray Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Are you kidding me? A stock S4 vs a Stock LGT? It has almost 100 more HP and would crush our car in corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Are you kidding me? A stock S4 vs a Stock LGT? It has almost 100 more HP and would crush our car in corners. all i did was disagree with your statement on it being sti territory. imo, it surpassed sti "territory". the rs4 is above the sti in the way the sti is above the gt. no where did i mention a regular gt. you just did though. i also said find any stock subaru with as trap of 109. oh...when you say almost 100 more hp...what math is that? almost universally means not quite. aka under 100. the gt you mentioned has a claimed of 250 (we all know that) vs a 420hp car. that is also OVER 100 hp. even the sti's new 305 hp. sure it costs more, but you pay for what you get. go over to the audi forums where street racing isn't "banned". they'll tell how they crush sti's. rumor has it after 100 not much of a contest. www.audiworld.com fwiw...all about the driver. i completely crushed this b6 a4's dreams of being a corner carver. last time i saw him trying was when i braked for a corner then held it to the point i feel the tires not biting 100% and then i floored it right before the end causing the car to go slightly wide but soo close to the end it straightened out. next thing you know i'm doing 80 and he is still at the corner. i slowed below the speed limit to allow him to catch up but he wouldn't even do that. he slowed more. all about the driver. in straight lines anyone can be a hero. point? you have the spec b and say it's close to the a4 s trims. i have a lowly gt. i'd say it doesn't matter cause most people suck the balls of a donkey when it comes to driver skill. have fun. wow an sti with 20g getting crushed by a s4 with ko4. [ame=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919442878683524346&q=20g+sti+stg+3&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0]Audi S4 Stg. III vs. 20g Subaru STI[/ame] another... [ame=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=197170914535042378]Audi S4 Stg. III vs. 20g Subaru STI[/ame] another [ame=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5864485848638615592]Audi Turbo vs. Subaru STi[/ame] check this... http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2699343.phtml point... there is always someone faster. you just better hope it isn't who you think is slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 rs4 is sti territory? what's the trap speeds for the rs4? 109 or so? 1 out of 3 stock RS4s on dragtimes.com hit 109. The other 2 hit 102 & 104 respectively. There are many STis that can reach that. I will admit that power/weight difference between the STi and RS4 is much larger than I had though. btw, to the op, did you even bother looking at the 1st page?? No because there are no stock cars on the 1st page. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 Are you kidding me? A stock S4 vs a Stock LGT? It has almost 100 more HP and would crush our car in corners. Yes 100hp more but look at the drag times... And I would disagree about the corner statement... maybe the LGT would get crushed but only because of the RE92s... Don't get me wrong, I know the LGT is slower... I'm just saying that maybe the gap is smaller than most think. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandman Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Senator, I worked with John Kennedy; I knew John Kennedy. Senator, you're no John Kennedy. Who Dares Wins スバル Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPLGT Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 all i did was disagree with your statement on it being sti territory. imo, it surpassed sti "territory". the rs4 is above the sti in the way the sti is above the gt. no where did i mention a regular gt. you just did though. i also said find any stock subaru with as trap of 109. oh...when you say almost 100 more hp...what math is that? almost universally means not quite. aka under 100. the gt you mentioned has a claimed of 250 (we all know that) vs a 420hp car. that is also OVER 100 hp. even the sti's new 305 hp. sure it costs more, but you pay for what you get. go over to the audi forums where street racing isn't "banned". they'll tell how they crush sti's. rumor has it after 100 not much of a contest. www.audiworld.com fwiw...all about the driver. i completely crushed this b6 a4's dreams of being a corner carver. last time i saw him trying was when i braked for a corner then held it to the point i feel the tires not biting 100% and then i floored it right before the end causing the car to go slightly wide but soo close to the end it straightened out. next thing you know i'm doing 80 and he is still at the corner. i slowed below the speed limit to allow him to catch up but he wouldn't even do that. he slowed more. all about the driver. in straight lines anyone can be a hero. point? you have the spec b and say it's close to the a4 s trims. i have a lowly gt. i'd say it doesn't matter cause most people suck the balls of a donkey when it comes to driver skill. have fun. wow an sti with 20g getting crushed by a s4 with ko4. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919442878683524346&q=20g+sti+stg+3&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 another... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=197170914535042378 another http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5864485848638615592 check this... http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2699343.phtml point... there is always someone faster. you just better hope it isn't who you think is slower. If you're sooooo enamored w/ Audi go buy one. Audi makes a nice car no doubt but when you start comapring the s4 rs4 vs. a stock LGT it is not in the same zip code. Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 aww this shit again? <shakes head> Here's a tip, chances are you are not the first person to compare an A4 or S4 to the LGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPLGT Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 How about a speed6? Or the LGT vs. 335....I bet neither of those have been compared. Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heightsgtltd Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 nope nothing, you better start some threads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 autoweek compared the two: remember this article? http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050704/FREE/507040714&SearchID=73300143174939&template=printart "the handsome Legacy deserves to hold its head high. Consider: a $30,000 family sedan loaded with amenities that is nothing short of thrilling in the speed department. At 5.23 seconds to 60 mph, our turbocharged Legacy Limited bests a host of sports cars we tested, including, surprisingly, the Audi S4’s 5.36 seconds Aug. 30, 2004. STANDING-START ACCELERATION 0-60 mph: 5.23 sec 0-100 km/h (62.1 mph): 5.86 sec 0-quarter-mile: 13.95 sec @97.5 mph" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 autoweek compared the two: remember this article? http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050704/FREE/507040714&SearchID=73300143174939&template=printart "the handsome Legacy deserves to hold its head high. Consider: a $30,000 family sedan loaded with amenities that is nothing short of thrilling in the speed department. At 5.23 seconds to 60 mph, our turbocharged Legacy Limited bests a host of sports cars we tested, including, surprisingly, the Audi S4’s 5.36 seconds Aug. 30, 2004. STANDING-START ACCELERATION 0-60 mph: 5.23 sec 0-100 km/h (62.1 mph): 5.86 sec 0-quarter-mile: 13.95 sec @97.5 mph" what was the 1/4 time and traps fro the s4? yeah. launch isn't everything. let alone everything else that sucks ass in comparison. stock...the subaru is not a well rounded car. acceleration is the only thing it has going. which, imo, is bloated due to an awd launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDII Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 all i did was disagree with your statement on it being sti territory. imo, it surpassed sti "territory". the rs4 is above the sti in the way the sti is above the gt. no where did i mention a regular gt. you just did though. i also said find any stock subaru with as trap of 109. oh...when you say almost 100 more hp...what math is that? almost universally means not quite. aka under 100. the gt you mentioned has a claimed of 250 (we all know that) vs a 420hp car. that is also OVER 100 hp. even the sti's new 305 hp. sure it costs more, but you pay for what you get. go over to the audi forums where street racing isn't "banned". they'll tell how they crush sti's. rumor has it after 100 not much of a contest. www.audiworld.com fwiw...all about the driver. i completely crushed this b6 a4's dreams of being a corner carver. last time i saw him trying was when i braked for a corner then held it to the point i feel the tires not biting 100% and then i floored it right before the end causing the car to go slightly wide but soo close to the end it straightened out. next thing you know i'm doing 80 and he is still at the corner. i slowed below the speed limit to allow him to catch up but he wouldn't even do that. he slowed more. all about the driver. in straight lines anyone can be a hero. point? you have the spec b and say it's close to the a4 s trims. i have a lowly gt. i'd say it doesn't matter cause most people suck the balls of a donkey when it comes to driver skill. have fun. wow an sti with 20g getting crushed by a s4 with ko4. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4919442878683524346&q=20g+sti+stg+3&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 another... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=197170914535042378 another http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5864485848638615592 check this... http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2699343.phtml point... there is always someone faster. you just better hope it isn't who you think is slower. Right:rolleyes: Because some guys crappy illegal street racing video is a solid comparison between 2 cars. Need forum help? Private Message legGTLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Right:rolleyes: Because some guys crappy illegal street racing video is a solid comparison between 2 cars. as opposed to some forum with a bunch of dreamer wannabes? get real. none of those clips are armchair drivers unlike 95% of this forum. those clips are real whether you like the outcome or not. your imagination does not equal reality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 acceleration is the only thing it has going. which, imo, is bloated due to an awd launch. This just in: the Audi S4 has AWD as well. At 5.23 seconds to 60 mph, our turbocharged Legacy Limited bests a host of sports cars we tested, including, surprisingly, the Audi S4’s 5.36 seconds Aug. 30, 2004. STANDING-START ACCELERATION 0-60 mph: 5.23 sec 0-100 km/h (62.1 mph): 5.86 sec 0-quarter-mile: 13.95 sec @97.5 mph" Wow, thank you... I had not seen that article. And again, IMO a Legacy with RE050s will hold its own against an S4 in the corners. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 those clips are real whether you like the outcome or not. They're also videos of heavily modified B5 S4s with a completely different powertrain than the B6. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDII Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 oh snap Need forum help? Private Message legGTLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 My 2 cents, as I'm even thinking about getting a 335xi: I wouldn't dream about modifying german. I've thought about it in the past, and it's a stupid, stupid idea. If you have an LGT and you aren't stage 2, you're dumb. Sorry no other way to say it. You can do it for like $200-500ish with open source and cheapo parts. Free even if you gut the cats and borrow someone's openport. Super reliable (Not the Audi "I haven't had problems in all of 20k (I have shits bigger than 20k) miles, it's reliable) So IMHO all comparisons should be with stage 2 vs unmodified audi or bmw. The most unreliable part in our cars is german, the Sachs clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 They're also videos of heavily modified B5 S4s with a completely different powertrain than the B6. really? i swear i saw a b6 handily beat down a subaru. matter of fact it was a red one. audi even kicked the hell out of the subaru on launch. kinda funny too that you have a problem with models that can upgrade as much as us. the 2.0 is no slouch either. i haven't heard of a broken dsg yet. has anyone here had the experience of a modded rs6? stock one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 This just in: the Audi S4 has AWD as well. Wow, thank you... I had not seen that article. And again, IMO a Legacy with RE050s will hold its own against an S4 in the corners. audi has 400lbs more too. stop light racing is one thing, top end is where it's at imo. anyone who does a lot of freeway driving will relate. the s4 has 340 hp at 7k. at our extended redline. as opposed to our 250 at 6000. me, personally. i'd rather have a highway cruiser. nothing like opening up a car to 100 just for the hell of it. also let me remind you that 2/10nth of a second could have come from anywhere. launch rpms, not hitting a gear right, etc..too many variables. also...after 60 our cars tend to slow. i just want to keep things into perspective. that's my main goal. gt regular suspension with re o50? or spec b? with drivers aside all car talking...spec b i would agree. gt, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 My thoughts. It has been soo long since I drove a stock LGT I don't recall. A mildly modded LGT is better in many respects. I just wish we had the nice leather Recaros. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 i swear i saw a b6 handily beat down a subaru. matter of fact it was a red one. And that was a heavily modified A4 2.0T... a completely differnet powertrain. Why do you so readily object when people try to make honest comparisons? Why are you posting all of these pointless peices of information with heavily modified turbo powertrains? Stock for stock LGT and S4... is it really that difficult to comprehend? ADD? I totally agree regarding the top end. Power will always prevail at high speed. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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